Draft Everyone 80s Keeper League -- Rules discussion/P3s

[BC Manager]

Even before sean's post I was going to say this. Here's the way I'm leaning:

No salary cap
No roster limits
No waivers
No restrictions on dropping your players.

Keep it ultra-simple. You draft your players -- there yours unless you make trades.

I do think several things will facilitate trading:
- the fact that you have 50+ players you own
- the fact it's a keeper league
- the fact that the divisions will be changing
- the fact that stadiums may change (still to be determined)

Trading will happen. If not we can introduce a new rule we all agree with after a season or two.

What do people think?

[the icemen]

simple is best...if aftr 81 games i am 15-18 games out i am looking to retool for next year....with 56 players i can make most any deal...i will deal a stud for a competing team to make a run to get 3 or so players to help me next season. or a player in a bad year...i think there will be player movement....alot of the other rules discussed would be very interesting but i too lack the time and they are starting to scare me off :cry:

i hope it is simple the only thing i saw as a positive from a 40 man roster is if you did in the off season...say protect 40 of your 56...this will release 192 players to draft each season....and considering most of us find drafting to be the most fun of all...maybe that is a compromise that doesn't require tracking or time during the season.....we just proxy our 1st 40 picks at the end of the season and that is our 40 man roster...then draft the remaining and start the next season.

make sense? anything beyond that may be making it too complicated for many here...myself included.

[BC Manager]

The other problem with the 40-man roster (other than getting away from the original concept) is that it will tend to be the same undesirable players left unprotected. The drafts won't be that interesting when it's 0.75 players (not the good ones) and overpriced players. I expect these guys wound be unlikely to even make it on to a team during the season. Yes the drafts are fun, but I think managing a whole 'system' of players from season to season will be equally fun.

I do think the 0.75 players and even some overpriced ones will also change hands. I just imagine if I need a usable 2B because my main guy has a crap card this season, and I know another owner has Ron Oester in his system and he's not using him, there's likely something I can offer him to acquire Oester. Likewise with 0.75 relievers and those guys that only seem to perform in certain situations

[YountFan]

[quote:29c1076b26]It's Mario Soto and Ryne Sandberg staying with the same teams indefinitely that we want to prevent[/quote:29c1076b26]
What is wrong with that? It is a keeper league not a socialist league.

I like BC's original rules and agree that keeping it simple is the best.

[BC Manager]

And what's wrong with Socialism? :wink:

I was also thinking, what if Yount ends up on someone's team other than Yountfan's?

[YountFan]

[quote:6c3d72816a]I was also thinking, what if Yount ends up on someone's team other than Yountfan's? [/quote:6c3d72816a]
Then I trade 22 of my 54 players for him

[bjs73]

[quote:238786a10e]What is wrong with that? It is a keeper league not a socialist league.

I like BC's original rules and agree that keeping it simple is the best.[/quote:238786a10e]

Simple is fine. I really didn't mean to rock the boat with suggestions that make people uneasy. They were just ideas after all.

The best part about simplicity is that there would be no "drop" rule. Therefore teams could improve mid-season without worrying about losing their stud. Which really is fine by me and keeps league integrity in check and competitive. It's the 80s game. Being able to make moves to improve your squad in mid season is what it is all about.

Just one question, in the offseason is it possible to trade players that don't match up in TSN salary dollars? Example: Trammel for R. Henderson straight up?

Thanks.

[albert2b]

[quote:8d6e886711]What is wrong with that? It is a keeper league not a socialist league. [/quote:8d6e886711]

Agreed. In our Decade Keeper League, I've had Brett for most of the decade and will likely keep him throughout. Yountfan's had Parker and Rice most of the decade too. That's the cool thing about keeper leagues. There are certain players that are identifiable to certain teams. If you really, really want a player, you make an offer for him. That's all. Otherwise, in a 12 team league, there will be plenty of good players for all.

[BC Manager]

[quote:8cf1531b93="bjs73"] It's the 80s game. Being able to make moves to improve your squad in mid season is what it is all about.[/quote:8cf1531b93]

Thanks bjs. I had the same thought

[quote:8cf1531b93] Just one question, in the offseason is it possible to trade players that don't match up in TSN salary dollars? Example: Trammel for R. Henderson straight up?

Thanks.[/quote:8cf1531b93]

Absolutely. Any off season moves are valid. You would just have to be able to put a valid AD list together (under sal cap, 2 catchers, etc.) and maintain a valid roster all season.

[the icemen]

i am all for simple...what about at the end of the season...just like a real team you could protect 40...no draft but you could pick up a player from another roster...this will help the weaker teams make some improvement and help keep teams come back....i am struggling how a 60 win team can ever improve with all players drafted and untouchable. i would think that player will eventually just give up and stop dumping credits into that team...and nobody else will want to take over that team. but a little help is if you need relief help because your pen sucks...you could grab some middle of the road guys off teams minor league rosters(not on 40) in the offseason. definitely too complicated to maintain during the season...but maybe in between seasons we could have one week where we can pick up players that aren't protected...but you have to return someone capable of playing same position. Ex....pick up ed lynch but return Jeff Ballard....that would make a little help to that team. I think this keeps the rules simple during the season but helps teams in hte offseason...it is worth thinking about. if not you need to solve the problem of one team becoming the tampa bay devil rays. what brings them back...or what makes someone want to take over the team to keep the league running. we would need another solution