Old League Games
by ArtemusRex » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:54 pm
I would think it would just continue here since this is OLd world LEAGUES and not just Old World Leagues '01.
It is wield though. I thought if JKolak ddn't do a prediction thread than someone else with lots of '02 experience might take a crack at it.
Thoughts?. Opinions?
It is wield though. I thought if JKolak ddn't do a prediction thread than someone else with lots of '02 experience might take a crack at it.
Thoughts?. Opinions?
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by Coffeeholic » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:24 am
I'll try to put together something later today Artie... I wanted to wait until the ball had dropped on the season before making any predictions.
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Fearless Prognostication - 2002 League
by Coffeeholic » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:30 pm
Better late than never... I hope? Please forgive the typos and spelling errors, as I was plunking away pretty furiously with these "fast five fingers of death".
[b:dd62f007c4]EAST[/b:dd62f007c4]
[b:dd62f007c4]BATTLE CATS[/b:dd62f007c4] First Place
Frisky has assembled a modern day "Murderer's Row" for this New Comiskey team and will certainly lead the league in runs scored. Unfortunately, the "Cats" will also probably lead the league in runs allowed. The starting rotation is pretty suspect after Lackey, and Mssr. Scooter hasn't even allowed himself the luxury of matching-up by only carrying 5 SP's. A deeper bullpen might have gone a long way toward alleviating this, but Frisky decided to go with a bevy of expensive sluggers instead. Come playoff time, he may be kicking himself for not carrying at least one SP* that could eat some innings for him.
[b:dd62f007c4]BLACKSMITHS[/b:dd62f007c4] Second Place
Joshua certainly has gone hard right with this Wrigley team... wonder if Bill O'Rielly helped him choose his players? I've seen a totally right-handed line-up succeed in the ATG games, but not in the 200X games, mainly because of the number of inexpensive hard-right-handed pitcher's available to counter this strategy. Fortunately for Mr. Logan, his division mates seem to have missed this while assembling their pitching staffs, so he may just get away with it. As such, he's got a excellent line-up for his park. I think that the Battle Cats are a little too powerful for this team to win the division, but it could be close, and this team will certainly be in the hunt for the wild-card.
[b:dd62f007c4]ANGELS[/b:dd62f007c4] Third Place
Mr Cook's Pac Bell team has the strongest starting pitching in the division, but it doesn't look strong enough to overcome the two dominat line-ups featured above. Witasick is fantastic out of the pen, but I can't find a closer to gather up the saves that he'll present. Gary's got some nice pieces in a Pac Bell line-up, but seems to lack a centerpiece or two to hold the whole thing together. A lot could depend on how much time Kearns spend on the disabled list. Even if he stays healthy though, the pitching isn't strong enough to dominate, and the line-up isn't poised to score enough runs to compensate. I'm thinking this is a solid pick for 3rd place.
[b:dd62f007c4]YANKEES[/b:dd62f007c4] Fourth Place
Maybe Alexx's team will surprise me, but I really doubt it. This Yankee Stadium team is populated by way too many players who are "last resort" options. ARod, Floyd, and Chavez are solid, Erstad and Wagner not bad, but after that we see a real drop off in talent. Of all the teams in the division, Mr. Daimler spent enough money on his pitching staff to have at least found an option or two to throw against the Blacksmiths, but for some reason he ignored this strategy? Unless I've really missed the mark on this one, Alexx will be looking to the FA pool and the trade market for help quite soon.
[b:dd62f007c4]CENTRAL[/b:dd62f007c4]
[b:dd62f007c4]PASSERS[/b:dd62f007c4] First Place
Kevin's put together a nice New Comiskey team, loaded with bargians in the line-up and on the pitching staff. I count 4 players who are either 1st or 2nd round draft picks in his line-up and 4 members of his pitching staff who can be classified as "bargains". Mr. Kelsey's team is the cream of this division and should win the pennant with room to spare. A couple of questionable platoon options may keep him from gaining home-field advantage through the playoffs though.
[b:dd62f007c4]PINTAILS[/b:dd62f007c4] Second Place
Tough call here, but I think that Gross's Skydome team should eek out a second place finish. Pedro pitching every 5th day coupled with a great bullpen should have him close to the top of the league in staff ERA. His line-up, while not over-powering, does have some nice options and Pujols as an anchor, so he should score more runs than he allows. This team could compete for the wild-card, but the Central looks like a tougher division than the East, so it will be an uphill battle.
[b:dd62f007c4]TITANS[/b:dd62f007c4] Third Place
"Lowe and Zito, then pray for rain!" will be the rallying cry for JD's Skydome team. Mr. Clark does have a decent pen put together, but I think he may find that he over-spent on this part of his team. His line-up, though, is where the questions arise. On a positive note, there are not many weak spots. On the negative side, there aren't many strong spots either. I just doesn't look powerful enough to score the necessary runs when the two staff aces aren't on the hill. I think JD will be wishing he made some minor adjustments to his salary allocations so that he could have afforded a third ace on this team. Perhaps he'll be able to pull off a big trade that will put him over the top.
[b:dd62f007c4]CACIQUES[/b:dd62f007c4] Fourth Place
Two obvious questions arise when looking at Roger's Fenway team: 1) Where are the runs going to come from? and 2) What the heck is a "Cacique"? To be fair, Mr. Zepernick's pitching staff isn't bad, and Gagne is a closer un-paralleled in the 200X games. I'm thinking, however, that going with a cheaper option than Miller in the rotation would've allowed Roger to upgrade Williams to a stud SP* to pitch every 4th day. Then perhaps his pitching would've been dominant enough to overcome a very lack-luster offense. Nice defense, but Edmonds is out of place and I don't think Rolen, McCracken, Boone and Snow will generate enough runs to push this team into contention.
[b:dd62f007c4]WEST[/b:dd62f007c4]
[b:dd62f007c4]THUNDERWOLVES[/b:dd62f007c4] First Place
Michael's Coors team has some of the right ingredients in place for a successful season. Halladay is excellent in this park, and Moyer should over-perform in this league. Mr. McConvey's bullpen may be too short for this slugger's park however, as even the strongest starting pitching needs help in this "homer haven". Manny, Berkman, Mags and Raffy provide a nice nucleus in his line-up, but there appear to be some holes here that may be too conspicous for the lack of pitching depth to overcome.
[b:dd62f007c4]PAULI BALL[/b:dd62f007c4] Second Place
Billy has the ultimate "small ball" player in Ichiro to build his Safeco team around, and Schilling, Mussina and Guardado are nice options in this "pitcher's paradise". After that however, the pickings look rather slim. The oufield and catching defense is very good, but I think Mr. Marin is going to wish that his infield "D" were a tad stronger when he starts loosing a few of those 1 run games because of a weak performance on the X Chart.
[b:dd62f007c4]ATHLETICS[/b:dd62f007c4] Third Place
I'm not sure what Dave is thinking about with this Network Assoc. team. He's got 4 very expensive SP*'s on his staff, yet chooses to include a 5th expensive SP also. Since Mr. Barstow's offense is almost non-existent, why not use that extra $7mil in salary to add some punch to that impotent attack? I have a feeling that he may make some changes during the course of the season, but dropping Burnett and upgrading just one position player is going to cost him at least $2mil, and in a game where each $1mil spent roughly equates to a win, this will only weaken his chances of competing for a playoff spot
[b:dd62f007c4]HERE AGAIN[/b:dd62f007c4] No Prediction
I'm uncomfortable making predictions about my own team, so will leave that for others to do. One thing I'd like to say however is: "In the 2002 game, it's a bad idea to drop drop Bernie Williams or Ben Weber!". Many thanks to whomever dropped these nuggets for me to pick up!
[b:dd62f007c4]EAST[/b:dd62f007c4]
[b:dd62f007c4]BATTLE CATS[/b:dd62f007c4] First Place
Frisky has assembled a modern day "Murderer's Row" for this New Comiskey team and will certainly lead the league in runs scored. Unfortunately, the "Cats" will also probably lead the league in runs allowed. The starting rotation is pretty suspect after Lackey, and Mssr. Scooter hasn't even allowed himself the luxury of matching-up by only carrying 5 SP's. A deeper bullpen might have gone a long way toward alleviating this, but Frisky decided to go with a bevy of expensive sluggers instead. Come playoff time, he may be kicking himself for not carrying at least one SP* that could eat some innings for him.
[b:dd62f007c4]BLACKSMITHS[/b:dd62f007c4] Second Place
Joshua certainly has gone hard right with this Wrigley team... wonder if Bill O'Rielly helped him choose his players? I've seen a totally right-handed line-up succeed in the ATG games, but not in the 200X games, mainly because of the number of inexpensive hard-right-handed pitcher's available to counter this strategy. Fortunately for Mr. Logan, his division mates seem to have missed this while assembling their pitching staffs, so he may just get away with it. As such, he's got a excellent line-up for his park. I think that the Battle Cats are a little too powerful for this team to win the division, but it could be close, and this team will certainly be in the hunt for the wild-card.
[b:dd62f007c4]ANGELS[/b:dd62f007c4] Third Place
Mr Cook's Pac Bell team has the strongest starting pitching in the division, but it doesn't look strong enough to overcome the two dominat line-ups featured above. Witasick is fantastic out of the pen, but I can't find a closer to gather up the saves that he'll present. Gary's got some nice pieces in a Pac Bell line-up, but seems to lack a centerpiece or two to hold the whole thing together. A lot could depend on how much time Kearns spend on the disabled list. Even if he stays healthy though, the pitching isn't strong enough to dominate, and the line-up isn't poised to score enough runs to compensate. I'm thinking this is a solid pick for 3rd place.
[b:dd62f007c4]YANKEES[/b:dd62f007c4] Fourth Place
Maybe Alexx's team will surprise me, but I really doubt it. This Yankee Stadium team is populated by way too many players who are "last resort" options. ARod, Floyd, and Chavez are solid, Erstad and Wagner not bad, but after that we see a real drop off in talent. Of all the teams in the division, Mr. Daimler spent enough money on his pitching staff to have at least found an option or two to throw against the Blacksmiths, but for some reason he ignored this strategy? Unless I've really missed the mark on this one, Alexx will be looking to the FA pool and the trade market for help quite soon.
[b:dd62f007c4]CENTRAL[/b:dd62f007c4]
[b:dd62f007c4]PASSERS[/b:dd62f007c4] First Place
Kevin's put together a nice New Comiskey team, loaded with bargians in the line-up and on the pitching staff. I count 4 players who are either 1st or 2nd round draft picks in his line-up and 4 members of his pitching staff who can be classified as "bargains". Mr. Kelsey's team is the cream of this division and should win the pennant with room to spare. A couple of questionable platoon options may keep him from gaining home-field advantage through the playoffs though.
[b:dd62f007c4]PINTAILS[/b:dd62f007c4] Second Place
Tough call here, but I think that Gross's Skydome team should eek out a second place finish. Pedro pitching every 5th day coupled with a great bullpen should have him close to the top of the league in staff ERA. His line-up, while not over-powering, does have some nice options and Pujols as an anchor, so he should score more runs than he allows. This team could compete for the wild-card, but the Central looks like a tougher division than the East, so it will be an uphill battle.
[b:dd62f007c4]TITANS[/b:dd62f007c4] Third Place
"Lowe and Zito, then pray for rain!" will be the rallying cry for JD's Skydome team. Mr. Clark does have a decent pen put together, but I think he may find that he over-spent on this part of his team. His line-up, though, is where the questions arise. On a positive note, there are not many weak spots. On the negative side, there aren't many strong spots either. I just doesn't look powerful enough to score the necessary runs when the two staff aces aren't on the hill. I think JD will be wishing he made some minor adjustments to his salary allocations so that he could have afforded a third ace on this team. Perhaps he'll be able to pull off a big trade that will put him over the top.
[b:dd62f007c4]CACIQUES[/b:dd62f007c4] Fourth Place
Two obvious questions arise when looking at Roger's Fenway team: 1) Where are the runs going to come from? and 2) What the heck is a "Cacique"? To be fair, Mr. Zepernick's pitching staff isn't bad, and Gagne is a closer un-paralleled in the 200X games. I'm thinking, however, that going with a cheaper option than Miller in the rotation would've allowed Roger to upgrade Williams to a stud SP* to pitch every 4th day. Then perhaps his pitching would've been dominant enough to overcome a very lack-luster offense. Nice defense, but Edmonds is out of place and I don't think Rolen, McCracken, Boone and Snow will generate enough runs to push this team into contention.
[b:dd62f007c4]WEST[/b:dd62f007c4]
[b:dd62f007c4]THUNDERWOLVES[/b:dd62f007c4] First Place
Michael's Coors team has some of the right ingredients in place for a successful season. Halladay is excellent in this park, and Moyer should over-perform in this league. Mr. McConvey's bullpen may be too short for this slugger's park however, as even the strongest starting pitching needs help in this "homer haven". Manny, Berkman, Mags and Raffy provide a nice nucleus in his line-up, but there appear to be some holes here that may be too conspicous for the lack of pitching depth to overcome.
[b:dd62f007c4]PAULI BALL[/b:dd62f007c4] Second Place
Billy has the ultimate "small ball" player in Ichiro to build his Safeco team around, and Schilling, Mussina and Guardado are nice options in this "pitcher's paradise". After that however, the pickings look rather slim. The oufield and catching defense is very good, but I think Mr. Marin is going to wish that his infield "D" were a tad stronger when he starts loosing a few of those 1 run games because of a weak performance on the X Chart.
[b:dd62f007c4]ATHLETICS[/b:dd62f007c4] Third Place
I'm not sure what Dave is thinking about with this Network Assoc. team. He's got 4 very expensive SP*'s on his staff, yet chooses to include a 5th expensive SP also. Since Mr. Barstow's offense is almost non-existent, why not use that extra $7mil in salary to add some punch to that impotent attack? I have a feeling that he may make some changes during the course of the season, but dropping Burnett and upgrading just one position player is going to cost him at least $2mil, and in a game where each $1mil spent roughly equates to a win, this will only weaken his chances of competing for a playoff spot
[b:dd62f007c4]HERE AGAIN[/b:dd62f007c4] No Prediction
I'm uncomfortable making predictions about my own team, so will leave that for others to do. One thing I'd like to say however is: "In the 2002 game, it's a bad idea to drop drop Bernie Williams or Ben Weber!". Many thanks to whomever dropped these nuggets for me to pick up!
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by Coffeeholic » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:05 am
How's that for inserting foot in mouth... Dave's Athletics, with it's "impotent attack", swept my boys last night by a combined score of 20-3! :oops:
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by JKolak » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:23 am
I haven't posted in awhile and now we have two leagues going. I'll start with the analysis of the 2001 season.
EAST
FIRST PLACE Braves - JKolak (60-33) 1st
This team can win on the road but home has been a different story. A little choppy performance here and there. Otherwise this team is doing about as well as I expected given the fact that 90 intradivision games are played.
SECOND PLACE Blacksmiths - pushpin (43-50) 2nd
This team has unfortunately tanked after being red hot for a team
THIRD PLACE Pauli Ball - bomberny (42-51) 3rd tied
A losing home record is never a good sign for any team.
FOURTH PLACE Lakers - Rzpernick (25-26) 3rd tied
This team has been tanking of late as well. Wrigley is a tough place to win in 2001.
CENTRAL
SECOND Big Red - Coffee (51-42) 1st
After a very dreadful start, this team has been juiced on caffeine and has started winning pretty consistently. It looks like the division crown is theirs to lose.
THIRD Punks - JDClark (49-44) 2nd
This team is still pretty competitive although it has been taking on a little water of late.
FOURTH Firebirds - ny2dave (38-55) 3rd
This team is no longer a candidate to lose 100 games. Its role will be as spoiler in the race for first place in the Central
FIRST Spoonbills - Grossman (36-57) 4th
It looks like I botched this pick. Nothing really seems to be going right for this team at all.
WEST
THIRD Yankees - AtremusRex (63-30) 1st
I may have misread this team big time. It seems like everything Magic Alexx has with offense and pitching is clicking into place. The pitching has been incredible. Tough to beat a team against whom you can't score any runs.
FIRST Jokers - Ironwill (53-40) 2nd
This team is on the rise. Whether it can make up a ten game differential wo win the division crown with only 69 games left is another issue. The Jokers have a great shot at the wild card.
SECOND Angels - poser (41-52) 3rd
This team has hit an iceberg and has begun to sink. SOS!!!
FOURTH Thunder Wolves - McConvey (40-53) 4th
This team will not lose a 100 games and may play spoiler in the race between Artemus Rex and Ironwill.
EAST
FIRST PLACE Braves - JKolak (60-33) 1st
This team can win on the road but home has been a different story. A little choppy performance here and there. Otherwise this team is doing about as well as I expected given the fact that 90 intradivision games are played.
SECOND PLACE Blacksmiths - pushpin (43-50) 2nd
This team has unfortunately tanked after being red hot for a team
THIRD PLACE Pauli Ball - bomberny (42-51) 3rd tied
A losing home record is never a good sign for any team.
FOURTH PLACE Lakers - Rzpernick (25-26) 3rd tied
This team has been tanking of late as well. Wrigley is a tough place to win in 2001.
CENTRAL
SECOND Big Red - Coffee (51-42) 1st
After a very dreadful start, this team has been juiced on caffeine and has started winning pretty consistently. It looks like the division crown is theirs to lose.
THIRD Punks - JDClark (49-44) 2nd
This team is still pretty competitive although it has been taking on a little water of late.
FOURTH Firebirds - ny2dave (38-55) 3rd
This team is no longer a candidate to lose 100 games. Its role will be as spoiler in the race for first place in the Central
FIRST Spoonbills - Grossman (36-57) 4th
It looks like I botched this pick. Nothing really seems to be going right for this team at all.
WEST
THIRD Yankees - AtremusRex (63-30) 1st
I may have misread this team big time. It seems like everything Magic Alexx has with offense and pitching is clicking into place. The pitching has been incredible. Tough to beat a team against whom you can't score any runs.
FIRST Jokers - Ironwill (53-40) 2nd
This team is on the rise. Whether it can make up a ten game differential wo win the division crown with only 69 games left is another issue. The Jokers have a great shot at the wild card.
SECOND Angels - poser (41-52) 3rd
This team has hit an iceberg and has begun to sink. SOS!!!
FOURTH Thunder Wolves - McConvey (40-53) 4th
This team will not lose a 100 games and may play spoiler in the race between Artemus Rex and Ironwill.
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by JKolak » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:29 am
BATTLE CATS First Place
Frisky has assembled a modern day "Murderer's Row" for this New Comiskey team and will certainly lead the league in runs scored. Unfortunately, the "Cats" will also probably lead the league in runs allowed. The starting rotation is pretty suspect after Lackey, and Mssr. Scooter hasn't even allowed himself the luxury of matching-up by only carrying 5 SP's. A deeper bullpen might have gone a long way toward alleviating this, but Frisky decided to go with a bevy of expensive sluggers instead. Come playoff time, he may be kicking himself for not carrying at least one SP* that could eat some innings for him.
Good analysis Coffee.
I wanted to go with one *pitcher and 4 scrubs. However, the autodraft turned against me. Yes, I know that choking sound during the playoffs with a 5 man rotation. My hope is that I will outscore my opponents.
As far as the pen is concerned, it is good and cheap. I just hope that Bradford can hold on as a closer. Lately in 2002, he has skunked it up for me.
This is the first time I drafted Bonds in 2002. That is after almost 90 teams.
Frisky has assembled a modern day "Murderer's Row" for this New Comiskey team and will certainly lead the league in runs scored. Unfortunately, the "Cats" will also probably lead the league in runs allowed. The starting rotation is pretty suspect after Lackey, and Mssr. Scooter hasn't even allowed himself the luxury of matching-up by only carrying 5 SP's. A deeper bullpen might have gone a long way toward alleviating this, but Frisky decided to go with a bevy of expensive sluggers instead. Come playoff time, he may be kicking himself for not carrying at least one SP* that could eat some innings for him.
Good analysis Coffee.
I wanted to go with one *pitcher and 4 scrubs. However, the autodraft turned against me. Yes, I know that choking sound during the playoffs with a 5 man rotation. My hope is that I will outscore my opponents.
As far as the pen is concerned, it is good and cheap. I just hope that Bradford can hold on as a closer. Lately in 2002, he has skunked it up for me.
This is the first time I drafted Bonds in 2002. That is after almost 90 teams.
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by JKolak » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:33 am
I dropped Ben Weber... :oops: :oops: :oops:
I decided to go with Bradford when he became available. According to the 2002 draft guide, Bradford rates higher than Weber. I did get some nice seasons from Weber when I drafted him on my early 2002 teams.
You stole Bernie Williams from me... :( :x :( :P
I wanted him bad and I got on the waiver wire right after you picked him up.
I decided to go with Bradford when he became available. According to the 2002 draft guide, Bradford rates higher than Weber. I did get some nice seasons from Weber when I drafted him on my early 2002 teams.
You stole Bernie Williams from me... :( :x :( :P
I wanted him bad and I got on the waiver wire right after you picked him up.
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