ANY difference between the two Polo Parks?

[modmark46]

We know they are both 1-7 for Singles and 1-20 for HRs. Just curious if anyone knows if there are some subtle differences (such as for Doubles) between the two? Seems like whenever I see someone with a Polo park, it's the 1936 one. I got to wondering why that was. Coincidence, or some other reason? :)

[Leo / loob]

Since its only two "teams" to compare, the elementary way to "guess" at the double/triple effects is to add up the double/triples that the teams had that year.

Maybe, just maybe, we can guess if we add up the league totals from each season, using this site....



Baseball-Reference.com

[modmark46]

According to the site, the Doubles hit were very similar, but the Triples were vastly different.
36 Giants hit 237 Doubles & 48 Triples.
11 Giants hit 225 Doubles & 103 Triples.

[Leo / loob]

I concur with your #'s, but I dug a lil deeper too....

1936 Giants, had roughly 400 more at bats than the 1911 Giants......

League wide:
1911 NL had 1642 doubles, and 682 triples in 41,107 AB's

1936 NL had 2071 doubles, and 431 (!) triples in 43891 AB's

1911 NL had 1 double / 25 at bats
1911 NL had 1 triple / 60 at bats

1911 Giants had 1 double / 22 at bats
1911 Giants had 1 triple / 49 at bats

1936 NL had 1 double / 22 at bats
1936 NL had 1 triple / 102 at bats

1936 Giants 1 double / 23 at bats
1936 Giants 1 triple / 113 at bats

So, raw #'s, the 11 and 36 polo grounds have basically the same # for doubles, but, the 11 Giants have a 2-to-1 advantage in triples

Also, the league #'s are the same for doubles, and again, almost a 2-to-1 advantage in triples (league wide)

I would assume, that the 11 polo grounds would be great for Gehrig and such (power, and triples too)

Hope this helps, and, hope its correct in correlation (sp?) from raw data, to TSN strat BP #'s

I would assume that the 11 Polo grounds, and 36 Polo Grounds, are exactly the same in all aspects of BP effects, except of course in triples, with 11 Polo having the HUGE advantage

[modmark46]

Makes sense, Leo. Thanks for the data. :)

[novie]

One seats more people! :wink:

[nels52]

Huh? Maybe I'm just exposing another aspect of my SOM ignorance, but I didn't think ballpark effects had anything to do with doubles or triples. If I'm wrong please explain why.

[Valen]

It is the understanding the the online game uses the super advanced rules. In the cd game there are ratings assigned to the ballparks for doubles and triples which are used in connection with the super advanced rules. There is no explanation about how these come in to play other than that they do. So since the online game supposedly uses these super advanced rules it is assumed all the ballparks have double and triple ratings and these are used although we do not get to see what they are. Those who own the cdrom game and have purchased the seasons which contain the various teams can look at their roster disks and see the ratings. Someone a couple years ago posted the ratings for the 2004 season but I have never seen anyone post the ATG ratings. I assume they consider the knowledge to be an advantage and see no reason to share that advantage. And not sure I would either since the season disks cost $20+ and you get one team off each. They spent hundreds to get the additional info.

But I do think it should be confirmed whether the doubles/triples ratings are used and if they are then they should be published on the ballparks chart.

[modmark46]

I agree. We all pay the money to play the game. Would be nice to know if they are, or aren't, used. And if they are, they SHOULD be posted for public knowledge. My guess is, if they are used, it's just something that has slipped through the cracks. Not enough people have clamored for the info to make it a priority for TSN to look in to. :?

[Muadib1950]

I think this is a bit of a silly discussion. Those doubles and triples stats were by the PLAYERS, not the parks. You would see park factor ratings on the players' cards. Assuming there is a virtual package of code that accurately reflects each player's Strato Card, and the various error, range, stealing, etc., chances that we all love about this Game, all TSN needs is a good working random number generator to make all the games fair. What is personally irritating, though, is turning over the relief decisions to Gamelaeus Enginutus, and that Enginutus runs both teams during a contest.

More likely than your so-called park factor triples and doubles might be hidden slump and career-year factors that randomly "assail" our players for all or parts or pieces of seasons. But that is also highly speculative -- unless acknowledged by those who program the game. But it might be a way of guaranteeing some "simulated realism" since cards don't struggle an entire year and play with pain like many athletes manage to do. And it might explain the occasionally inexplicable good -- and bad -- performances. Who knows? Don't the customer service and programming people provide answers on issues like these?