The North American Keeper League Forum

[Ninersphan]

[quote:9816971cba="old__toriihunter"]I think it's penalty enough that you essentially lose a draft pick for choosing someone that doesn't get a card...the teams should have the option of keeping the player or getting a new one in a supplemental draft after our 5-rounder.[/quote:9816971cba]

It isn't necessarily a penalty. Some of these guys might be desirable beyond this year. But I'll count your vote :wink:




Vote on Uncarded players discovered after TSN's release:

[b:9816971cba]Option 1- Keep'em[/b:9816971cba] 0 Votes

[b:9816971cba]Option 2- Re-draft [/b:9816971cba] 1 votes


I'm just trying to head off problems before there actually are any. :D
Isn't that what you guys pay me....

what I don't get paid :?: :!: :?: :!:

get my agent on the phone,

tell him he's fired, I'm going with that Boras guy :wink:

[mulls70]

[quote:d843c81a05="Ninersphan"][quote:d843c81a05="jimmullins70"][quote:d843c81a05="old__toriihunter"]I was debating back and forth, Lackey vs. Dobbs...and it's easy to know when you might have made a mistake (I took Lackey) when Dobbs is the immediate next pick!

I'm hoping Lackey has an injury free year in 2009, because he has been one of the better pitchers recently. I would have liked Gavin Floyd more but he was scooped up just before.

Hairston Jr could have an awesome card as well, along with Bruney. We're getting a little risky now![/quote:d843c81a05]

According to the SOM fielding ratings for 2008 Bruney is in the regular card set, so TSN should have his card available. I hope :wink:[/quote:d843c81a05]

Jim just a heads up, that isn't hard and fast, I've seen TSN exclude cards that are too good even for guys with over 250 ab's. I'll tell you right now Nelson Cruz will NOT get a card, it's too good, and Bruney is borderline.[/quote:d843c81a05]

I figured it was worth the risk. I'm just hoping it pays off. Cruz is part of the regular set, but like you said TSN may omit him.

[mulls70]

[quote:7835a6db3f="Ninersphan"][quote:7835a6db3f="old__toriihunter"]I was debating back and forth, Lackey vs. Dobbs...and it's easy to know when you might have made a mistake (I took Lackey) when Dobbs is the immediate next pick!

I'm hoping Lackey has an injury free year in 2009, because he has been one of the better pitchers recently. I would have liked Gavin Floyd more but he was scooped up just before.

[b:7835a6db3f]Hairston Jr could have an awesome card as well, along with Bruney. We're getting a little risky now[/b:7835a6db3f]![/quote:7835a6db3f]


Speaking of risky cards,

We need to make a decision RIGHT NOW, whether on not we will force mamagers to keep guys that are card risks once the cards come out.

I'll explain, some of us have drafted guys that are going to be on the edge of getting a card from TSN, (Prado, Napoli, Bruney and Nelson Cruz especially, come to mind), because of low IP, PA's or simply too good a card.

We have 2 choices:

1. You draft him you keep him, PERIOD whether TSN give him a card or not.

or

2. We allow a supplemental re-draft for uncarded players once TSN releases their game. ONLY players available on the draft site would be eligible, that way we still keep to the spirit of only 60 guys that are brand new will be drafted.

so we need to vote:

[b:7835a6db3f]Option 1- Keep'em[/b:7835a6db3f] 0 Votes

[b:7835a6db3f]Option 2- Re-draft[/b:7835a6db3f] 0 votes

as commision I don't get a vote, that way the league is actully run by the league and not by a dictator.[/quote:7835a6db3f]

I will vote for a re-draft. Since I did draft two questionable guys my view is tainted. I am Ok with whatever is deemed to be most fair.

[Ninersphan]

[quote:103855838d="jimmullins70"][quote:103855838d="Ninersphan"][quote:103855838d="jimmullins70"][quote:103855838d="old__toriihunter"]I was debating back and forth, Lackey vs. Dobbs...and it's easy to know when you might have made a mistake (I took Lackey) when Dobbs is the immediate next pick!

I'm hoping Lackey has an injury free year in 2009, because he has been one of the better pitchers recently. I would have liked Gavin Floyd more but he was scooped up just before.

Hairston Jr could have an awesome card as well, along with Bruney. We're getting a little risky now![/quote:103855838d]

According to the SOM fielding ratings for 2008 Bruney is in the regular card set, so TSN should have his card available. I hope :wink:[/quote:103855838d]


Jim just a heads up, that isn't hard and fast, I've seen TSN exclude cards that are too good even for guys with over 250 ab's. I'll tell you right now Nelson Cruz will NOT get a card, it's too good, and Bruney is borderline.[/quote:103855838d]

I figured it was worth the risk. I'm just hoping it pays off. Cruz is part of the regular set, but like you said TSN may omit him.[/quote:103855838d]


TSN uses about 150 ab's as their cut off anyway, regardless of whether or not a guy is in the regular set, so given the facts that:

1. he only has 115 ab's
2. he didn't have a major injury
3. his card is second only to Pujols' (Taylor Teagarden's not with standing)



I 'm 99.9% certian he will NOT get a card, not trying to drag you down, but I want you to be prepared and have a back up.

[Ninersphan]

Vote on Uncarded players discovered after TSN's release:

[b:bfd949fac0]Option 1- Keep'em[/b:bfd949fac0] 0 Votes

[b:bfd949fac0]Option 2- Re-draft [/b:bfd949fac0] 2 votes


I'm just trying to head off problems before there actually are any. :D
Isn't that what you guys pay me....

what I don't get paid :?: :!: :?: :!:

get my agent on the phone,

tell him he's fired, I'm going with that Boras guy :wink:

[mulls70]

[quote:26164bb787="Ninersphan"][quote:26164bb787="jimmullins70"][quote:26164bb787="Ninersphan"][quote:26164bb787="jimmullins70"][quote:26164bb787="old__toriihunter"]I was debating back and forth, Lackey vs. Dobbs...and it's easy to know when you might have made a mistake (I took Lackey) when Dobbs is the immediate next pick!

I'm hoping Lackey has an injury free year in 2009, because he has been one of the better pitchers recently. I would have liked Gavin Floyd more but he was scooped up just before.

Hairston Jr could have an awesome card as well, along with Bruney. We're getting a little risky now![/quote:26164bb787]

According to the SOM fielding ratings for 2008 Bruney is in the regular card set, so TSN should have his card available. I hope :wink:[/quote:26164bb787]


Jim just a heads up, that isn't hard and fast, I've seen TSN exclude cards that are too good even for guys with over 250 ab's. I'll tell you right now Nelson Cruz will NOT get a card, it's too good, and Bruney is borderline.[/quote:26164bb787]

I figured it was worth the risk. I'm just hoping it pays off. Cruz is part of the regular set, but like you said TSN may omit him.[/quote:26164bb787]


TSN uses about 150 ab's as their cut off anyway, regardless of whether or not a guy is in the regular set, so given the facts that:

1. he only has 115 ab's
2. he didn't have a major injury
3. his card is second only to Pujols' (Taylor Teagarden's not with standing)



I 'm 99.9% certian he will NOT get a card, not trying to drag you down, but I want you to be prepared and have a back up.[/quote:26164bb787]

I hear you. He is my 5th OF. That is why I took the chance. They do have some low AB guys in this years set, (Rayburn Phelps, Ankiel, Redman) but non quite as good as Cruz.

[nythawk129921]

I am definitely for keeping them since we do know there is always the chance they will be uncarded.They can always be dropped during the 3 round supplemental draft between seasons 1 and 2.Plus the players that get to repick will have the unfair advantage of seeing the cards and get to pick someone who has a very good card.I personally have stayed away from a few players because of the possibility they wont be carded.If I get supplemental picks then why not go and pick up players that I know wont get carded just so I can get a look at the cards(ala Bonds).Where would the cutoff be??I could have 6 or 7 uncarded players andf get to pick up 6 or 7 replacements??.IMO that would give an unfair advantage to those managers that took a chance with no risk and high reward

[nythawk129921]

Vote on Uncarded players discovered after TSN's release:

Option 1- Keep'em 1 Votes

Option 2- Re-draft 2 votes

[Ninersphan]

[quote:696afe947e="nythawk"]I am definitely for keeping them since we do know there is always the chance they will be uncarded.They can always be dropped during the 3 round supplemental draft between seasons 1 and 2.Plus the players that get to repick will have the unfair advantage of seeing the cards and get to pick someone who has a very good card.I personally have stayed away from a few players because of the possibility they wont be carded.If I get supplemental picks then why not go and pick up players that I know wont get carded just so I can get a look at the cards(ala Bonds).Where would the cutoff be??I could have 6 or 7 uncarded players andf get to pick up 6 or 7 replacements??.IMO that would give an unfair advantage to those managers that took a chance with no risk and high reward[/quote:696afe947e]


One thing to keep in mid hawk, I'd only allow them to draft from the mostly depleted pool were are currently drafting from. They would NOT get to draft from players that are not available in this draft but will be in the 5 round new player draft.
So you're taking about drafting from the dregs here, I don't see that as a HUGE advantage at all.