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[thisisdan26]

[b:b894bb569d]Thisisdan26[/b:b894bb569d] trades:

Phil Hughes and Andy LaRoche

To

[b:b894bb569d]Jimmullins70[/b:b894bb569d]

For

1st round prospect draft pick

[mulls70]

[quote:908ad034f0="thisisdan26"][b:908ad034f0]Thisisdan26[/b:908ad034f0] trades:

Phil Hughes and Andy LaRoche

To

[b:908ad034f0]Jimmullins70[/b:908ad034f0]

For

1st round prospect draft pick[/quote:908ad034f0]

I confirm this trade.

[Ninersphan]

[quote:b66b87a305="thisisdan26"][b:b66b87a305]Thisisdan26[/b:b66b87a305] trades:

Phil Hughes and Andy LaRoche

To

[b:b66b87a305]Jimmullins70[/b:b66b87a305]

For

1st round prospect draft pick[/quote:b66b87a305]

That's great, but it presents a HUGE problem. [b:b66b87a305]Jimmullins[/b:b66b87a305] needs to drop 2 players to get back to 35 active players for the New Player draft.

AND

[b:b66b87a305]Thisisdan[/b:b66b87a305] will still only get to pick 5 players in the New Player draft so he will start the draft at 33 players and play the first season with an active roster of only 38 players. He will stay at 38 players (barring any unbalanced trades that give him extras) until the end of the Supplemental Player draft held in between seasons 1 and 2 some time in late spring or early summer.

Sorry, but if the intent of this trade was for [b:b66b87a305]Thisisdan[/b:b66b87a305] to pick up 2 extra New Player draft picks, I'm putting the kibosh on it right now.

Don't think I'm not paying attention just because I'm off in the Caribean, sipping rum drinks. :wink:

[mulls70]

[quote:137921fd78="Ninersphan"][quote:137921fd78="thisisdan26"][b:137921fd78]Thisisdan26[/b:137921fd78] trades:

Phil Hughes and Andy LaRoche

To

[b:137921fd78]Jimmullins70[/b:137921fd78]

For

1st round prospect draft pick[/quote:137921fd78]

That's great, but it presents a HUGE problem. [b:137921fd78]Jimmullins[/b:137921fd78] needs to drop 2 players to get back to 35 active players for the New Player draft.

AND

[b:137921fd78]Thisisdan[/b:137921fd78] will still only get to pick 5 players in the New Player draft so he will start the draft at 33 players and play the first season with an active roster of only 38 players. He will stay at 38 players (barring any unbalanced trades that give him extras) until the end of the Supplemental Player draft held in between seasons 1 and 2 some time in late spring or early summer.

Sorry, but if the intent of this trade was for [b:137921fd78]Thisisdan[/b:137921fd78] to pick up 2 extra New Player draft picks, I'm putting the kibosh on it right now.

Don't think I'm not paying attention just because I'm off in the Caribean, sipping rum drinks. :wink:[/quote:137921fd78]

Wouldn't I have until one day after the new player draft to drop or trade 2 players to bring my roster to the 40 man limit?

[Ninersphan]

[quote:44e49d1ada="jimmullins70"][quote:44e49d1ada="Ninersphan"][quote:44e49d1ada="thisisdan26"][b:44e49d1ada]Thisisdan26[/b:44e49d1ada] trades:

Phil Hughes and Andy LaRoche

To

[b:44e49d1ada]Jimmullins70[/b:44e49d1ada]

For

1st round prospect draft pick[/quote:44e49d1ada]

That's great, but it presents a HUGE problem. [b:44e49d1ada]Jimmullins[/b:44e49d1ada] needs to drop 2 players to get back to 35 active players for the New Player draft.

AND

[b:44e49d1ada]Thisisdan[/b:44e49d1ada] will still only get to pick 5 players in the New Player draft so he will start the draft at 33 players and play the first season with an active roster of only 38 players. He will stay at 38 players (barring any unbalanced trades that give him extras) until the end of the Supplemental Player draft held in between seasons 1 and 2 some time in late spring or early summer.

Sorry, but if the intent of this trade was for [b:44e49d1ada]Thisisdan[/b:44e49d1ada] to pick up 2 extra New Player draft picks, I'm putting the kibosh on it right now.

Don't think I'm not paying attention just because I'm off in the Caribean, sipping rum drinks. :wink:[/quote:44e49d1ada]

Wouldn't I have until one day after the new player draft to drop or trade 2 players to bring my roster to the 40 man limit?[/quote:44e49d1ada]

No becuase that would in essence allow you to protect 42 players until after the 1st season was concluded. I know you would not have use of the 2 extra players, but neither would anyone else. I'm sorry it simply wouldn't be fair.
The ONLY way I'd allow you to keep the 2 extra players you have now, that long, would be for you to forfiet your 4th and 5th round new player draft picks so that you would end in the 3rd round with 40 players.

If this means you need to amend, postpone or cancel the deal, that's up to you.

[Ninersphan]

[quote:97c8cee8b0="jimmullins70"][quote:97c8cee8b0="Ninersphan"][quote:97c8cee8b0="thisisdan26"][b:97c8cee8b0]Thisisdan26[/b:97c8cee8b0] trades:

Phil Hughes and Andy LaRoche

To

[b:97c8cee8b0]Jimmullins70[/b:97c8cee8b0]

For

1st round prospect draft pick[/quote:97c8cee8b0]

That's great, but it presents a HUGE problem. [b:97c8cee8b0]Jimmullins[/b:97c8cee8b0] needs to drop 2 players to get back to 35 active players for the New Player draft.

AND

[b:97c8cee8b0]Thisisdan[/b:97c8cee8b0] will still only get to pick 5 players in the New Player draft so he will start the draft at 33 players and play the first season with an active roster of only 38 players. He will stay at 38 players (barring any unbalanced trades that give him extras) until the end of the Supplemental Player draft held in between seasons 1 and 2 some time in late spring or early summer.

Sorry, but if the intent of this trade was for [b:97c8cee8b0]Thisisdan[/b:97c8cee8b0] to pick up 2 extra New Player draft picks, I'm putting the kibosh on it right now.

Don't think I'm not paying attention just because I'm off in the Caribean, sipping rum drinks. :wink:[/quote:97c8cee8b0]

Wouldn't I have until one day after the new player draft to drop or trade 2 players to bring my roster to the 40 man limit?[/quote:97c8cee8b0]



I'd like to hear from both parties in this deal and make sure they understand my ruling and are okay with the deal anyway.

[thisisdan26]

Im still fine with it.

[mulls70]

I'm still fine with it.

I'm not looking to be a pain in the a$$, but it still doesn't seem right that I have to drop 2 players before the new player draft. I don't see how it is any different than a team making an unbalanced trade the 1st day of the season then having to drop a couple players to get to the 40 man active roster size. That scenario would also tie up those dropped players for an entire season. The rules state that a team has one day to get back to the 40 man active roster limit after the 40 man limit has been exceeded not before. I will of course adhere to your ruling, but I just wanted to clearly state my side. How long do I have before I need to clear two roster spots?

[Ninersphan]

[quote:9cf5f8679b="jimmullins70"]I'm still fine with it.

I'm not looking to be a pain in the a$$, but it still doesn't seem right that I have to drop 2 players before the new player draft. I don't see how it is any different than a team making an unbalanced trade the 1st day of the season then having to drop a couple players to get to the 40 man active roster size. That scenario would also tie up those dropped players for an entire season. The rules state that a team has one day to get back to the 40 man active roster limit after the 40 man limit has been exceeded not before. I will of course adhere to your ruling, but I just wanted to clearly state my side. How long do I have before I need to clear two roster spots?[/quote:9cf5f8679b]

I'll be honest, I'm much more concerned with Dan's side of this deal than I am your's Jim, in the sense that, and I want this to be perfectly clear, [b:9cf5f8679b]that he (thisisdan) is now agreeing to play the first season at a roster size of 38 not 40[/b:9cf5f8679b] like the rest of us.

You are right, the rules say you have one day, so I'll change my ruling like this,

You can keep both players for now, but once you make your 4th round pick in the New Player Draft, you have to make a pick and announce a drop to keep your roster at 40, ditto for the 5th round. I'm bypassing the 24hr rule, because you have PLENTY of advance notice to know you will be over the limit. The 24 hour rule was written to give the commisioner a chance to look over the rosters to make sure both sides of a trade are in roster compliance.

Is this fair?

If you feel you are not being fairly treated, we can take it to the league and put it to a vote. I'm not trying to be a dictator here, as I keep saying , I want this to be your league and only really want to be the arbitor of the rules. But this New Player draft has added wrinkles I hadn't fully considered when the USKL2/3 rules were adopted and I'm trying my best to keep to the spirit of those rules with this decision.

[nythawk129921]

Boy a commissioners work is never done even when he is supposed to be on vacation with very little internet access,right Bill :lol: I sure hope you are being compensated justly by these owners :wink: