age old injury question...need definitive answer

[the icemen]

600 ab's....can they get a two game injury?
157 games played

herndon-lo+inj for 2 games vs lhp
it is his 82 or 85 card....not enough ab's in season (3) to get any read other than injury.

i have never really seen a consensus on this topic but maybe there has been one posted i did not see.

help....Ice

[Jablowmi]

Guys with 600+ plate appearances can be injured up to 3 games. Guys with less can be injured up to 15 games. Guys with more than 650-680 (don't know if this has ever been established definitively, although it may have been with season reveals) can have "in game" injuries only.

[Outta Leftfield]

My understanding is that the "in game injuries only" level starts with 680 plate appearances. I have seen multi-game (up to 3) injuries for players with 679 PA or less.

I've never seen more than in-game injuries for players with 680 or more (for example, Ripken has injuries on some of his cards but never gets actually injured more than in game). So I believe this rule is in fact in effect--but it only starts at 680. The ATGII guys are quite obsessed with this topic, and they ought to know because they are only dealing with single seasons.

[worrierking]

It's been awhile since I played 80s and was thinking about a team since we have a discount. Help me remember, if a player has four years of 600+ PAs and one year of fewer than 600 PAs and gets hurt for 15 games, you have established that his card is the year with fewer than 600, correct?

[cplake]

[quote:74a75a5d59]if a player has four years of 600+ PAs and one year of fewer than 600 PAs and gets hurt for 15 games, you have established that his card is the year with fewer than 600, correct?[/quote:74a75a5d59]

That is correct.

Also 680 + PAs (defined as ABs + walks) the player can only get injured the remainder of the game. For 600-679 = 3 games max, and anything under 600 PAs is a 15 game injury risk regardless of how many games they actually played on their card (see Ivan DeJesus).

[Ducky]

I thought I'd bump this thread up for some of the newer players that have joined in the last month or two. Good discussion on length of injuries.

Mike

[yak1407]

You may still be just guessing if you think that the injury reveals a player's year.
In fact, any player can be injured for anything from the remainder of the game up to 15 games.
In the case of Herndon, if he was injured for three games, it could easily have been 4, 7, 10 or 15 games.
If the player has 680 plate appearances in some seasons and gets injured for three games, you still cannot be certain of which year it is unless the play he was injured on identifies the year.
In other words, if you have a player with three seasons of more than 680 PAs, and he gets injured on a line-oout against an RHP and in every season that is his injury roll, and he's out for three games, you still do not know which of the seasons it is. It could be any of them. An injury of 4 or more games eliminates three of the seasons.
However, those guys with more than 680 PAs, in my experience, also tend to have multiple years of more than 680 PAs.

[Ducky]

Yak,

You are correct, but in many cases the injury reveal along with number of games and plate appearances can narrow down which card you have. The reason I was searching for this link was due to a two game injury I just had for Ken Singleton last night. I could not remember if it was 675 or 680 for the rest of the game cut off. With Singleton, that number is significant especially when his injury is a strikeout against a left handed pitcher.

His '79 and '82 seasons have a strikeout injury against a left handed pitcher. In '79, he has 679 plate appearances and in '82 the number is 647. If the cut off had been 675, I'd know for certain that I have the '82 Singleton and I would drop him for a free agent (I may still do this since he has not hit a home run versus a left handed pitcher and does not have one on his '82 card).

Since the cut off is 680, I may still have the '79 Singleton which is one of his top two cards.

For now, I am holding Singleton since he has only had 27 plate appearances against left handed pitching. He has 1 single, 2 doubles and 8 walks.

Anyhow, I thought this thread would be helpful to the newer players. I know without analyzing things a bit deeper than plate appearances, a person can make a mistake on determining the card that one has.

Mike

[Albatross1]

Mrm,

Thanks for bumping this, and it very helpful to this new player (1st Opening Day for me is 12/25).

Quick question, as I have Dale Murphy. 4 of his 5 years, he has AB+BB > 680.....so if he gets injured for more than an in-game injury, can I assume that his year would be the one where his PA's < 680?

Thanks,
Alb.

[wilee23]

pretty much