BONDS BOMB

[CHARLESBELL]

Just an observation -

(1) Nearly every poster that defends bonds admires his natural talents regardless of whether they think he is guilty or not and would vote him into the HoF if not guilty (although there are very differing opinions about what "not guilty" means)

(2) Nearly every poster that condemns bonds dislikes bonds as an individual and would deny him the HoF whether they think he is guilty or not because he is not the kind of person that warrants being admitted to the HoF (although it is more convenient to label him guilty to increase the chances of keeping him out of the Hall).

[ERICTAYLOR 2]

I just read the article in SI. Most of the "facts" come from an ex-girlfriend! If memory serves, she once tried to extort him for $$$.

Believe what you want, but CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

[ERICTAYLOR 2]

[quote:beb9c5e43f]Why cant MLB add to the rule book that ALL Federal laws, ALL the laws of EACH STATE that has a MLB team, and ALL LOCAL municipalities with MLB stadiums in them are assumed added to the MLB rulebook and those found guilty of breaking these rules would be subject to a suspension?? [/quote:beb9c5e43f]Exactly what MLB would NOT want. They would then lose their exemption to anti-trust laws protected by one of the least legally-sound decisions in US Supreme Cout history ([i:beb9c5e43f]Flood v. Kuhn[/i:beb9c5e43f]). That case was based upon the theory that MLB was NOT "interstate commerce" and thus not subject to anti-trust laws.

[hugedude24]

And on the topic of legality, let's not forget that the closed grand jury testimony itself was illegaly obtained. Credible sources indeed, only breaking federal law. Still, he did do it, but lets not hold Bonds up to the law and let his investigators break it at will like George W does.

[Minoso Express]

I'm a Yankees fan and could care less if the entire SF Giants teams fell into the Pacific following one of Bonds' more titantic blasts.

Be that as it may, Barry Bonds is the finest player any of us is ever likely to see in our day. Steroids or no steroids- period. He was a phenomenon before the alleged steroids abuse started and- for those who read that book excerpt in S.I.- in the two seasons following the cessation of steroid "therapy," (no one is saying he took roids after 2002), Bonds perhaps put up his finest overall season stats. Those two seasons alone should silence the naysayers. His numbers are, and always have been, somewhat otherworldly and his singular ability to reinvent himself from speedster to slugger to batting for average guy is astonishing.

The other thing I'd like to ask is this: does anyone really believe that taking steroids make a "great" player? I mean, come on. Tell me that Brad Ausmus or Cesar Itzuris on roids is suddenly going to become Barry Bonds-- pick your Bonds season. Doesn't matter which one.

I'd vote for him in a heartbeat for the Hall. And I voted for Palmeiro, too. McGwire? Nope. He had one talent- for dingers. In every other way his play basically sucked. Steroids or no steroids.

[tersignf]

I think you meant you couldn't care less... :D
Good post.
I'm appalled that someone alleged the NY Post had a good article. That's downright irresponsible :P

I think it's terrible when human beings with a gift/talent/etc choose what's easy instead of what's right. McGwire can cry, and Palmeiro can blame others but these guys are living sheltered lives and it doesn't change anything. The bottom line is they're cowardly men who lack integrity. In this context, the men refers to MLB, the players union, owners,the whole lot of em.

The lack of integrity implies a character weakness, and these are the same people who also cheat on their wives, etc and take the path of least resistance when presented with a choice. How is it an excuse to say this era is so competitive--there are so many pressures they're just forced to do it. That's a cop out.

MLB has not had any leadership since Bart Giamatti passed. Bonds is no different from a mess of other spoiled stars--and MLB should be ashamed for trying to straddle the line between what's right and what's not--they--including the players' union--are reaping what they've sown.

It's all fine if there's no public controversy and these stars are making bucks for MLB. Path of least resistance for MLB too--was much easier for them to make money than to make the right decisions. It's laughable how they've come out with these ridiculous after-the-fact guidelines for steroid use. They love criminals when they make money, but hang them out to dry when they're caught.

How about this for a rule book entry: If you admit or are convicted of breaking a federal law of the US, you're banned from the game.

Then hold all levels of management responsible for the actions of people under their charge. The owner pays the whole lot of em--he sets the rules and better enforce them. If an element of the organization is found complicit, the owner better take decisive action or they shall lose their rights to the team. Period. Next owner step right up. And LEAD.

Spineless chumps leading spineless chumps.
And then there's Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams. Think they never had the chance to take the low road?

[alg1016]

Actually, Given a choice between pre 1998 Bonds and Griffey Jr......

I would take Griffey Jr in a heart beat in his prime, over a pre '98 Bonds in his prime.

Bonds is not the best player of our time. Less we forget how dominant Jr was before being traded to Cincy.

[the splinter]

[quote:3ff26a84bc]Bonds is not the best player of our time. Less we forget how dominant Jr was before being traded to Cincy. [/quote:3ff26a84bc]

Junior was...but Junior couldn't....so Junior isn't.

Bonds has done it all.

A-Rod will do it all....and more.

[LMBombers]

Why is this post here and not in the Bullpen. This has nothing to do with SOM. :evil: :evil:

Here is a picture of Bonds :twisted: