ALL 70'S PLAYERS PLEASE READ & RESPOND!

[ths92110]

I would like to see more player options and a list of exactly what those options mean. For example:

[i:b68f474af7]Remove from game if tying runner comes to the plate.[/i:b68f474af7] "Activating this option will . . . . . . . . (detailed explanation)"

[i:b68f474af7]Do not remove under any circumstances unless endurance is reached[/i:b68f474af7]. "Activating this option will . . . . . . . (detailed explanation)"

[i:b68f474af7]Pitch in all save situations regardless of batter faced[/i:b68f474af7]. "Activating this option will . . . . . (detailed explanation."

[i:b68f474af7]Long Relief Only [/i:b68f474af7](who knows what the _____ 'mop up' means). "Long relief is defined as . . . . . Activating this option will . . . . . . (detailed explanation)."

These are only suggestions, and I am certain many of you have better options which will provide for more bullpen control. I am so tired of seeing 3-4 run leads blown by idiotic substitutions or a failure to substitute at a crucial moment.

Also, I would like to see more hitting options. For instance:

[i:b68f474af7]Always bunt with runners on first and second and no outs.[/i:b68f474af7] "Activating this option will . . . . . . (detailed explanation).

[i:b68f474af7]Never under any circumstance try to steal third base[/i:b68f474af7]. "Activating this option will . . . . . (detailed explanation).

[i:b68f474af7]Never under penalty of death attempt the hit and run.[/i:b68f474af7] "Activating this option will . . . . . . (detailed explanation).

And I am certain there are many, many more.

Thanks,

ths

[voovits]

Let me help you out with these

[quote:192953a6b5="ths92110"]
[i:192953a6b5]Remove from game if tying runner comes to the plate.[/i:192953a6b5] "Activating this option will cause your setup man to be taken out and have your mop-up guy inserted"

[i:192953a6b5]Do not remove under any circumstances unless endurance is reached[/i:192953a6b5]. "Activating this option will get your settings ignored"

[i:192953a6b5]Pitch in all save situations regardless of batter faced[/i:192953a6b5]. "Activating this option will ensure that your closer comes in, in the 7th inning of any game you're leading so he could attempt a 3 inning save"

[i:192953a6b5]Long Relief Only [/i:192953a6b5](who knows what the _____ 'mop up' means). "Long relief is defined as . . . . . Activating this option will get your closer removed from the game as soon as he gives up the tying run in the 9th so we could prepare for extra innings."

[i:192953a6b5]Always bunt with runners on first and second and no outs.[/i:192953a6b5] "Activating this option will probably work right, but we never know for sure.

[i:192953a6b5]Never under any circumstance try to steal third base[/i:192953a6b5]. "Activating this option will cause a bug which will allow your opponents to steal third uncontested.

[i:192953a6b5]Never under penalty of death attempt the hit and run.[/i:192953a6b5] "Activating this option will get your players killed.

[/quote:192953a6b5]

I think that covers it.

[djtrickster]

If BDW is right and most managers can read the cards in 20 games and they make several trades a season based on that assumption that would ruin the game. If that happened someone like me could never identify a card. Like YF said, it'd be like shuffling the cards every Sunday.

Sorry, BDW, I didn't mean to waste your time writing such passionate messages. I could feel the frustration in your message. I loved TomP's idea but I guess since I take so long in identifying cards, I just assumed everyone else did too. I would love to learn how to identify cards in 20 games, though. Can ya help a brother out?

[BDWard]

Well, as I sit here and write yet another tome on the mystery card change issue, I want to say that the last thing I want to do is get into a pissing match with an intelligent, passionate, experienced and respected member of the online community. To a certain extent, the mystery card switch issue has overshadowed the other great ideas for improving the 70's and 80's games.

In that vein, DJ, the ideas contained in your original post about revising salaries, carefully choosing any new players so as not to imbalance the player pool, updating the stats package and adding features that make it easier to track the mystery card are great and worthy of serious consideration. Also, as one can ascertain from the number of posts, the mystery card change issue obviously merits serious debate.

Regarding the mystery card switch issue, my comments about a manager having a pretty good idea about what he has after 20 or so games were mostly within the context of one year wonder cards and I stand by those comments. We all know successful managers who don't even take that long to launch a player. As Voovits so astutely noted in his post "...there are a few players who have 1 good year which can usually be recognized right away...". I do agree however, that with many players, especially the stars, who often have 3 years with similar numbers, Jim Rice and Eddie Murray come immediately to mind, it takes longer to identify the exact year. But there is a huge difference between trying to identify the exact year and making the decision whether to keep a player. If a manager has got a one year wonder player, say Chris Bando, for example, and he's hitting .140 with no HRs after 80 ABs, it's not important to the manager to be able to ID which bad card he has, all that matters is that he missed out on the one great card. Under those circumstances, 80 ABs is probably a pretty long leash to give a guy. Of course, we can probably all cite anecdotal examples of players with good cards who've started horribly and rebounded to have good years, sometimes after being cut, but in the one year wonder example I gave most managers would probably follow their instincts and launch the guy.

DJ, while the sarcasm is evident in your most recent post, I'd bet my last dollar that you have launched a position player after less than 80 ABs or launched a pitcher after 4 or 5 starts or 6 or 7 relief appearances on more than one occasion. While it certainly takes longer to ID a specific year, it doesn't take nearly as long to determine that a player has a bad card, especially a one year wonder player, and isn't going to help you. As stated in my previous post, if the mystery card year is changed with every trade, such players would be traded, and traded often, until mystery card gold is found.

I guess the point of all this is that while changing the mystery card year during the season has some obvious surface appeal, all of the possible ramifications of such a radical change in the game must be carefully considered before any changes are made.

For the reasons set forth in my previous posts, the same mystery card should be retained throughout the course of the season.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to voice my opinion.

May the Strato gods smile upon you. - Bernie W

[PillPop]

I've just been skimming this thread, but...

Good ideas:
1. Put 70's/80's in the ATG module. If I buy a five-pack, this allows me to play both ATG and a couple of mystery card seasons. It may also draw more ATG and 200x players into the mystery card world and vice versa.
2. DEFINITELY upgrade 80's to the ATG interface. I want to designate injury replacements, etc. I also want to use the new bullpen logic and other bells and whistles.
3. No switching cards. The fun of 70's/80's is every season features a new card set. If Schmidt stinks, he gets dropped and you find another solution. That seems to be a given with the game.
4. HELL YEAH add about 15-20 more new players to BTT80's. Expand the card set just a little and you're almost creating a whole new game. It would really freshen things up.
5. I also agree with some 70's pricing changes. 80's prices are by and large okay, but I agree that guys like Morgan and Otis-- even Cedeno-- need more good cards to justify the pricing. They should have at least four great cards in there, a la Murphy, Puckett, Yount, Brett, Schmidt in Back to the 80's.

[LMBombers]

[quote:fccc244929="PillPop"]5. I also agree with some 70's pricing changes. 80's prices are by and large okay, but I agree that guys like Morgan and Otis-- even Cedeno-- need more good cards to justify the pricing. They should have at least four great cards in there, a la Murphy, Puckett, Yount, Brett, Schmidt in Back to the 80's.[/quote:fccc244929]

I think you had this backwards. I think you meant you would like to see some 80's price changes and that the 70's are by and large OK.

[JONCHUCKERY]

[quote:f15277b331="LMBombers"][quote:f15277b331="PillPop"]5. I also agree with some 70's pricing changes. 80's prices are by and large okay, but I agree that guys like Morgan and Otis-- even Cedeno-- need more good cards to justify the pricing. They should have at least four great cards in there, a la Murphy, Puckett, Yount, Brett, Schmidt in Back to the 80's.[/quote:f15277b331]

I think you had this backwards. I think you meant you would like to see some 80's price changes and that the 70's are by and large OK.[/quote:f15277b331]

I think he was right on...unless guys like Morgan and Otis are going to get some upgrades (Morgan75, Otis 78/79) then those guys need a price change.

[PillPop]

[quote:e5da687788="jmc316"][quote:e5da687788="LMBombers"][quote:e5da687788="PillPop"]5. I also agree with some 70's pricing changes. 80's prices are by and large okay, but I agree that guys like Morgan and Otis-- even Cedeno-- need more good cards to justify the pricing. They should have at least four great cards in there, a la Murphy, Puckett, Yount, Brett, Schmidt in Back to the 80's.[/quote:e5da687788]

I think you had this backwards. I think you meant you would like to see some 80's price changes and that the 70's are by and large OK.[/quote:e5da687788]

I think he was right on...unless guys like Morgan and Otis are going to get some upgrades (Morgan75, Otis 78/79) then those guys need a price change.[/quote:e5da687788]

Yes. What jmc said. Add more good cards to guys like Otis and Morgan or else lower the price.

[LMBombers]

Now I'm confused. :? Are you saying the 80's prices are good but the 70's prices need changes? If so I completely disagree with that. There are more prices out of whack in the 80's game than the 70's IMO.

[PillPop]

I've just adjusted to 80's prices. Who's too much? Darling? Langston? Dusty Baker? Perhaps I don't have enough perspective. I don't play 70's as much so some of those players just leap out at me. I also feel there are too many 20-40% shots in 70's like John Mayberry or Mike Epstein who just cost way too much for the opportunity to get a good card.

To me, though, pricing is less of an issue than infrastructure and adding a few players. I enjoy playing both games, though, so don't go by me.