Please accept, decline, or e-mail

[RICHARDMILTER]

All is fair in love, war, and baseball.

[The Biomechanical Man]

[quote:f4d0ff500c]For me, building teams and trading is the most fun part of the game, and it's a real shame that trading seems to be so difficult and infrequent here.[/quote:f4d0ff500c]

I agree.

[The Godfather]

On a semi-related note, I think it's important to remember that different people value players in different ways. I've done three leagues so far (all live draft) but I still tend to use dollar values to gauge fair trade offers. I think a lot of other first timers do this as well, as I've noticed that it was MUCH easier to make trades in my first league (standard with a good number of first timers) than in the next two (advanced).

I've heard comments about a player's value in relation to where he is drafted, but I don't put much stock in that (unless he was drafted in the first 2 or 3 rounds). Someone could very easily be taken too early because of a run on a position or because they are a favorite of a manager.

Again, I just wanted to remind some of the vets not to take trade offers so personal sometimes. Different people value players in different ways and it takes two seconds to check if someone is a vet or first timer.

I've enjoyed my experience so far and I appreciate the advice (and patience) of the vets!

[keyzick]

[quote:f72abb110c="MoFo's of Mayhem"]Again, I just wanted to remind some of the vets not to take trade offers so personal sometimes. Different people value players in different ways and it takes two seconds to check if someone is a vet or first timer.[/quote:f72abb110c]

Amen to that! Regardless of first timer or vet, no one is forcing anyone to accept any trade offers, so no need to reply with anything worse than a "Reject", or even an explanation as to why you are rejecting. I recently made what I thought was an equitable trade offer, only to have the person write back saying he rememembers me "from years ago always trying to rip people off, don't take me for an f****** idiot".

Now, that was the first time I ever heard that! And I had no idea who this manager was, and "years ago" that he referenced I hadn't even played theme leagues yet, so doubt I even ran into him. Not to mention, with the salary structures being what they are, it's pretty tough to offer lopsided trades.

Needless to say, I'll never deal with that guy again.

[RICHARDMILTER]

Interesting stories. It is too bad more trades can not be worked out. I used to average about 1.5 trades per league, now I hardly even make trade offers anymore.

[ggrover15]

this is one of the better posts I have seen. All I ask for is you hit decline button. If you want to tell me why you do not want to do the trade that is great other wise decline is just as good.

[Roscodog]

I agree with PBTR 100%

[kimkrichbaum2]

I agree with PBTR's basic point, but I think it can be said in a softer, gentler, way. And I have said this to league's I belong to.

especially in 80 mil standard leagues, there is often a varied level of commitment among the managers, some may check their teams and mail twice a day, others, once a week or less. And I think we need to allow for that. People have lives outside of Strat.

I think it is more useful to have a trade protocol in an advanced league with experienced managers, especially those that lend themselves to trading like 2 1/2 team leagues and keepers.

In my ideal world, we would go beyond just a quick response to trades and have a thoughtful one. The key to a successful trade is finding out which players the two managers value differently from one another. i recently had a manager in a keeper league whom i traded with several times. We finally got stuck, and I sent him a 1-10 scale rating of how I valued all his players, and asked him to do the same. it turned out that we generally valued the same players, except he liked Ortiz and Andy LaRoche who had little value for me. I was able to trade them to him for a LH reliever and a couple of draft choices.
I don't ask, because I think it would be too detailed for a lot of folks, but I'd like to exchange wish and value lists before we even go to trading.

[ANDREWLEVITAN]

a one line rsepons is common courtesy. I agree with PRTR....

[coyote303]

Sometimes the best way to get a trade done is to simply to announce that you're looking to dump someone or to say what you want and what you're willing to part with. It's annoying to lose out on a key player on draft day, only to see the manager who got him cut him later and take a 20 percent cut. Are you likely to get an acceptable trade by doing this? No. But you are 100 percent more likely to get one than if you just cut that high-priced player.

I will say I usually enjoy getting a trade offer. I will decline (usually) and send a short note saying why. However, I was in one league where one manager kept sending me trade offers that made absolutely no sense. I would still reject them in a timely manner, but I quit with the explanations.

I spend hours putting together each of my teams before a season starts. Couple that with the difficulty of making trades because of salary cap considerations and I rarely make a trade. However, they are always exciting when they happen.

Actually, the reason preseasons are so much fun is that you essentially can make unlimited "trades" with the free agent market.