12 x 12 Regional Theme League

[novie]

I thought Muttdoc said you screwed the team immediately before you... I have grab bag and MW Pre is right above them...

[doug_tucker10]

so is the idea to basically burn the best player on the team sitting above us on the team list? In my case me burning Buster and Andy burning me?

[NEILKAHN]

The team YOU screw is the one immediately AFTER yours in the list of team assignments for the league. Part of the original joy of this rule and doing the screw player selection after the draft when there were limited player moves was that after the other player had carefully crafted and balanced his team you could wreck it through your substitution. However, with the newer simplified rules and unlimited player moves it gives the guy a fair chance to recalibrate his lineup, so I do not see that it would make any difference to do the substitution before the draft if that is the way you would prefer. CW

[doug_tucker10]

it would be alot easier to just have us name the 12 players (1 player per team) not to use here BEFORE anyone does anything with drafting their team...id rather know ahead of time who i wont be able to use on my team. If im still not getting it then i guess im dumber then a paper weight.

[FRANKMANSUETO]

So, the way I see it I may as well leave either Lajoie or Wagner off the teams I have b/c either one of them is getting screwed here. Or is it based on who you have on your roster after the draft and your line-up is set. And does a player gets screwed based on his primary position only? So if I play a player at say SS whose primary position is another and Wagner is not on my roster, the player playing SS can only get screwed at his primary position thereby allowing me to pick-up Wagner to play SS? Or b/c Wagner is on the grouping roster he still gets screwed? In this Wagner scenario I can effectively hide him by not putting him on my roster if the screw comes after the draft and he is on the FA list and only those on your roster are eligible to get screwed. Do I have it right or am I still out in RF?

[AeroDave10]

[quote:940ee3e7b0="Frank M"]So, the way I see it I may as well leave either Lajoie or Wagner off the teams I have b/c either one of them is getting screwed here. Or is it based on who you have on your roster after the draft and your line-up is set. And does a player gets screwed based on his primary position only? So if I play a player at say SS whose primary position is another and Wagner is not on my roster, the player playing SS can only get screwed at his primary position thereby allowing me to pick-up Wagner to play SS? Or b/c Wagner is on the grouping roster he still gets screwed? Do I have it right or am I still out in RF?[/quote:940ee3e7b0]

If you put both of them on the roster at SS and 2B, one will almost assuredly be deleted (I know, because I'm the one screwing you).

If you put Wagner at SS, Lajoie at DH, and XXX at 2B, I'll delete Wagner.

If you put Lajoie at 2B, Wagner at DH, and XXX at SS, I'll delete Lajoie.

If you put Wagner at DH, XXX at SS and XXX at 2B, I'll know you're probably hiding Lajoie and put a stiff at 2B anyways, thus preventing you from putting Lajoie at 2B. Under this circumstance, you would not be able to move Wagner to SS and Lajoie to DH because you have to keep the guy you declared the DH initially at DH ... This will basically be the same if you do the same trick with Lajoie at DH and Wagner "hidden".

If you put XXX at SS and XXX at 2B and XXX at DH, then I'll just have to choose who I want out of your lineup more, Lajoie or Wagner.

I guess my advice is, if you really want to have one particular guy in your lineup, regardless of defensive abilities, put him at DH. After that, it's a crap shoot.

[doug_tucker10]

the only part i still dont get is the hidden player part and how are we actually shafting teams? After draft we see who other team has that isnt "hidden" or placed at DH than name one player from that team who needs to be deleted from the roster?


"hidden player" - do you just mean a player on our team who isnt on the 25 man roster? if so can we choose to delete a hidden player?

[FRANKMANSUETO]

And if BOTH are not on my roster can they still get screwed? As I said if I use a player whose primary position is not 2B/SS I am effectively hiding them on as a non-roster player. If we are not doing that then what is the difference who you screw. The Rust Belt Pre-War grouping is going to take a bath here. 100 loses + here it comes.

After the 12 season are done I am not going forward into ATG5. Has nothing to do with the rules for this league its just that I need to drop from some themes as the frustration of Strat is really starting to get to me. Rather have less teams anyway as opposed to taking a leave to re-charge the batteries.

[novie]

From what I understand of the "screw player", it is not necessarily that you are shafting a particular player from the lineup, rather you are inserting a lousy player into the lineup at a specified position. How, u deal with that is up to you.

I've uncovered a little strategy with my team to best deal with this scenario... I will have a lousy player, we all will, but it will not wreck the remainder of my team... in fact I believe I can almost by strategy determine what position I will get screwed at and still use all 8 of the other players I want at the positions I want.

In determining the screw, I had looked at the team I thought I was shafting, saw the 2 players that I knew could not both be protected and was ready to go.... both were high priced and very valuable. The key was that they shared a position and that is how it could be eliminated.

I need to go back and look at team #1 in list... believe it is Pre NY... so I can properly screw them.

[novie]

By the way, once this theme is finished, I am done with ATG IV.