DOUBLE DECADE 86 - Triple Decade? Weigh in on discussion

[Yellow_Dog]

Hopefully we can continue this league into the '90s. I think the timing should be right, but we'll need to think about how drafts should be handled since player eligibility for the 90s will be dependent on who is actually carded in the 90s. And I could see guys like Kent Hrbek, who is supposed to retire after 1988, having a 1990s card.

[LMBombers]

I think our other DD league that is in 1974 now would be the league to continue into the 90's. This league has already passed years where we would have selected rookies based on their 90's elligibility. Also by the time the 90's comes out we will be 2-3 more years down the road in this league.

[YountFan]

It is probably the death nail, but the 86 version of the BFDs looks really strong. They have good pitching and hitting and have excellent speed up and down the line up. With Dykstra and Molitor at the top of the order the slugging BFDs may just be a go-go team too.

New comer Shawn Dunstan brings a big league glove to the left side of the BFD infield. Something they haven't had in years.

The a fore mentioned Dykstra joins Molitor, Strawbery, Clark, Carter, Gibson, McReynolds and White to give good balance to the BFDs.

The pitching staff, a long time sore point, has been revamped with the additions of Byrne Smith, Bill Wegman, Craig Lefferts, Don Aase, Jeff Robinson and Allan Anderson. They join holdovers DeLeon, Browning, McDowell and Reardon to give the BFDs their most amazing staff in a decade.

Gary Carter, long time BFD catcher, has announced that he will be retiring after the 1986 season. "I still love the game, but my body is telling me it time to go."

Strut Pederson
Amazing Daily News

[LMBombers]

YF, I do like the looks of your team but most teams have high hopes and look promising before the first pitch. One thing that is not a mystery is speed and defense and I like that with my team. I have all 1's except for 3's at 3B and 2B (Lansford/Sax). Also plenty of speed with Sax, Van Slyke, Gwynn, Eric Davis, Yount, Lansford & Mumphrey. Since I don't have much power I need most of these guys to hit in order to score runs. I also like Blyleven, Black and Viola in Royals Stadium.

Does this sound like a winning combination? It is a mystery to me! :lol:

[BC Manager]

as posted in league mail:

Ok, I've done some research into what it would/will look like to turn this into a 3-decade league. First I did some analysis of players who played in the 70s and 80s, and who had cards in both games and who didn't.

When it comes to hitters, the analysis was fairly straightforward. I looked at games played, as this was simple and seemed to be a reliable criteria. For 70s players, I looked at how much they played from 1981 on, as this also seemed like the most reliable predictor of whether a player would have an 80s card. The criteria I came up with was:

1) 500 games played from 1981, onward

When it came to pitchers, establishing criteria was more difficult. There seem to be more and more extreme aberrations -- see Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro. However I was still able to establish reasonable criteria for starters and relievers:

2) 120 games started from 1981-

3) 200 relief appearances, 1981-

There are of course exceptions to all three criteria -- players who reached the criteria and don't have 80s cards, or players who have 80s cards despite not reaching these levels. Still these are fairly good predictors of which 70s players would have an 80s card.

So I then applied this criteria to 80s players who played in the 90s. For the purpose of this league, I only looked at players who's last card in the 80s is earlier than 1989. That's because my purpose was to determine who's retirement dates we would have to adjust. Players who's last card is 89 or later, won't retire while we're using the 80s set, so we don't need to predict if they'll have a 90s card. The following are all the players that met any of the above criteria (current retirement year in parentheses):

Dave Winfield (88), 572 games (1991-95)
Andre Dawson (88), 609 games (91-96)
Gary Gaetti (88), 1141 games (91-99)
Tony Pena (86), 638 games (91-98)

Scott Sanderson (87), 129 games started (91-96)
Fernando Valenzuela (87), 122 games started (91-97)

Rick Honeycutt (83), 306 relief appearances (91-97)
Jesse Orosco (87), 539 relief appearances (91-99)

So, it looks like only 8 players would have their retirement years adjusted on the assumption that they'll have 90s cards. Of those 8, only one has already retired (Honeycutt). Pena is due to retire after this season. The rest in 87 or 88.

If we plan to use the 90s in this league, I propose that we use the criteria I've established and adjust the retirement years for these players only. As Honeycutt was a FA at the end of his last season, I think he should be unretired in 87 as a free agent, eligible for the autodraft.

Now, based on this research, what do we think about planning to make this a Triple Decade league?

BC

[YountFan]

I would like to press on into the 90's

[YountFan]

[url=http://JNKLOSTER.home.comcast.net/DoubleDecadeFranchise.pdf]Franchise Stats[/url]

Poor Baseball Abstract...most wins and STILL no championships but then he is in the west with the mighty Kekiongas.

Champs by Division
EAST -- 4
CENTRAL -- 6
WEST -- 5

[Sykes25]

I would ABSOLUTELY want to carry over this league into the 90's.

[Yellow_Dog]

Here's my tally for whether we should go on to the 90s or not. My apologies if I misstate your position.

Sykes - Yessssss!
Yount Fan - Yeah!
BC Manager - After much (appreciated) research, Yes?
LM - No changing to Yes if majority want to go on
Bigdinkent - Yup!
Sphillip - Si senor!
Crossingroads - Oui!
Canauscot - Yes Mate (but there are some issues to think about)
Jsamia -
BigAlric -
Running Rebel
Yellow_Dog - Woof Woof (Yes)!

I think it will be September by the time we finish the 1987 season. I propose we wait to conduct the 1988 draft following the 1987 season until the 1990s cards have been released. Alternatively we could pause this summer and resume play once the 1990s cards are released (i.e. wait for the 1987 draft). And I think we should go with BC Manager's retirement rules.

[YountFan]

[quote:d777495f4b]Alternatively we could pause this summer and resume play once the 1990s cards are released (i.e. wait for the 1987 draft).[/quote:d777495f4b]
I am not a fan if this idea. 87 is the last good draft of the decade. 88 is like two players and 89 zero. If we play 86 and 87 that is about 20 weeks assuming we wait until the finals are over and draft at our normal pace. That is almost 5 months. We can delay 88 until the 90's are out, because fall may not be fall, but you'd only be drafting future considerations, so is there really a need to delay?

I say, lets press on, try to work our the rough spots of the 80/90 switch and do it for real with the DD II. But by the time it hits the 90's they could bring in the 60's