Out of Position Players

[voovits]

Sorry for the triple post, but I found the part of the rules that Coyote quoted earlier.

[quote:4532a48966]SETUP: Each person chooses a team. Referring to the information at the top of each player card, select a starting pitcher and one player for each of the other positions. [b:4532a48966]To play a position, a player must have that position shown on his card (if you are using the designated hitter, any player may be the DH).[/b:4532a48966] The statistics at the bottom of each player's Basic card will tell you who played most and which players were most effective. These are the statistics that Strat-O-Matic uses to create each player's card and you may wish to use them to guide your lineup selections.[/quote:4532a48966]

It can't get more blunt than that.

Again, a copy of the rules are here:

http://www.rsbl.org/somrules.htm

That paragraph is in the "GETTING STARTED" section, which is the 5th section from the top.

[RICHARDMILTER]

Where did I say ,"I know everything..."? Find one place out of my 1700 posts where I say I know everything?

You can not win on the facts and the rules so you keep with these personal attacks! That is how someone argues who does not have the facts (or in this case the rules, or both..) on his side.

[MARCPELLETIER]

Ok, so bottom line:

GETTING STARTED:
To play a position, a player must have that position shown on his card

25.2
If there are no remaining players rated for a position (because of injuries), try to use a similar player there.

In most cases, the substitute at the unfamiliar position plays with the worst possible defensive ratings.

25.2.1
The one exception [to this worst-possible-ratings rule]: outfielders. See the charts.

[RICHARDMILTER]

Marcus Wilby, you just made my point for me, thank you! Willie Taveras should be a 1, or a 2 (depending on the year...) in LF , but here at TSN he is a 5. That is the whole point!

The chart shows that there is no change between a CF playing LF, or RF, am I wrong?

Have you finally arrived at the facts (rules)?

[RICHARDMILTER]

And you still did not post 25.21 correctly~. Why? What is so difficult about this?

Marcus Wilby you paraphrased rule 25.21 and did not quote it directly at all. Also you failed to mention there is zero penalty for a CF filling in in LF. Why?

Why were you so quick to agree with Vootis despite the fact that he is wrong?

[MARCPELLETIER]

rmilter, I did post 25.21 at length, see above, the post published at 19:01.

You are the one making the accusations and the finger-pointing, not me. Be careful.

Yes, Tavaras should not be 5. But that is not the issue. The issue is the one that started this thread, which is that, when playing strat, even on the CD-rom, you are NOT allow, by rule, to use Tavaras in lf unless you can't use any other lf. That is why I thanked coyote and voovits for correcting my wrong view.

Go read the very first question of this thread, which is THE issue:

[quote:1b24fae942]Why does strato not let you start players out of position?[/quote:1b24fae942]

[RICHARDMILTER]

Why is a CF who is a 1( or a 2) a 5 in LF whether an injury occurs or not? That is not what the rules state. And that was my whole point! Who would start out with a .50 cent player (like Taveras ) in LF. I only play him there when injury occurs.

You did not quote the rule word for word, or entirely at all. You paraphrased...why???

[MARCPELLETIER]

rmilter, can't you read!!! The post published at 19.01!!!!

Here it is:

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Here is the whole paragraph:

Quote:

(25.0) Injuries / Players out of position

(25.1) Injuries may occur to any batter (including pinch-hitters), if the result of your dice roll includes the phrase, "plus injury." If you are using the DH rule, an injury occurs to the pitcher in the field when a white 6 and colored dice total of 12 (6-12) is rolled and the DH is at bat.

First, complete the play. Then roll the 20-sided die.

For Advanced play, refer to the INJURIES section of the Basic Strategy Chart to determine the duration of the injury.

For Super Advanced play, refer to the Super Advanced Injury Chart under the Super Advanced Miscellaneous Charts (on the reverse side of the Super Advanced Fielding Chart).

(25.2) Sometimes injuries will force a manager to use a substitute at an unfamiliar position. If there are no remaining players rated for a position, try to use a similar player there - an infielder in the infield, an outfielder in the outfield.

In most cases, the substitute at the unfamiliar position plays with the worst possible defensive ratings: A 5 range rating, the highest "e" rating for the position, a +5 throwing arm, and/or catcher "T" and "pb" ratings of 1-20.

(25.21) The exception is a rated outfielder playing another outfield position that is not listed on his card. In such cases, the outfielder's "e" rating and arm rating remain unchanged. And he does not automatically become a "5". Use the OUTFIELD FIELDING ADJUSTMENT chart on Page 15 to adjust his range rating.
When assigning a player who is rated at two outfield positions to play the third (for which he is not rated), base the new rating on the first outfield position listed on his card. For example, a player is LF-1, CF-3. If you needed to move him to RF, use LF as the basis, which would make him a RF-2.

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[RICHARDMILTER]

Rule 25.21 does not start with "The one exception...", like you wrote...

Finally.....If this does not prove that TSN, you and Vootis were wrong, I have no idea what will..

Have a great night...

[MARCPELLETIER]

rmilter, can't you read!!! The post published at 19.01!!!!

Here it is:

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Here is the whole paragraph:

Quote:

(25.0) Injuries / Players out of position

(25.1) Injuries may occur to any batter (including pinch-hitters), if the result of your dice roll includes the phrase, "plus injury." If you are using the DH rule, an injury occurs to the pitcher in the field when a white 6 and colored dice total of 12 (6-12) is rolled and the DH is at bat.

First, complete the play. Then roll the 20-sided die.

For Advanced play, refer to the INJURIES section of the Basic Strategy Chart to determine the duration of the injury.

For Super Advanced play, refer to the Super Advanced Injury Chart under the Super Advanced Miscellaneous Charts (on the reverse side of the Super Advanced Fielding Chart).

(25.2) Sometimes injuries will force a manager to use a substitute at an unfamiliar position. If there are no remaining players rated for a position, try to use a similar player there - an infielder in the infield, an outfielder in the outfield.

In most cases, the substitute at the unfamiliar position plays with the worst possible defensive ratings: A 5 range rating, the highest "e" rating for the position, a +5 throwing arm, and/or catcher "T" and "pb" ratings of 1-20.

(25.21) The exception is a rated outfielder playing another outfield position that is not listed on his card. In such cases, the outfielder's "e" rating and arm rating remain unchanged. And he does not automatically become a "5". Use the OUTFIELD FIELDING ADJUSTMENT chart on Page 15 to adjust his range rating.
When assigning a player who is rated at two outfield positions to play the third (for which he is not rated), base the new rating on the first outfield position listed on his card. For example, a player is LF-1, CF-3. If you needed to move him to RF, use LF as the basis, which would make him a RF-2.
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