An opinion or two (ok more than two)
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by Jerlins » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:50 pm
You had two great weeks weather wise then. I can't recall it raining here over the past two weeks. Interesting opinion of Strasburg though. It's not the first time I heard exactly the same thing about him. Hopefully, they do what's best for the kid. At least for now, all the hype doesn't seem to have gone to his head. He's been great for business too :D
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by Ninersphan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:58 pm
[quote:9969dde54c="Jerlins"]You had two great weeks weather wise then. I can't recall it raining here over the past two weeks. Interesting opinion of Strasburg though. It's not the first time I heard exactly the same thing about him. Hopefully, they do what's best for the kid. At least for now, all the hype doesn't seem to have gone to his head. He's been great for business too :D[/quote:9969dde54c]
Well ONE great week I was only there 6 days, but yeah, GREAT weather. :D Went to Sachuset beach twice, spent some time with friends in Bristol, and Weekapaug (Westerly), did a sailing cruise of Newport on a 3 masted Schooner and had fabulous meals at several restaurants (God I miss those in Buffalo). Again sorry I couldn't fit you in, but couldn't find the time. Good news is, I KNOW I'll be back again, and I'll make it a priority next trip. :wink: :D
But back to baseball, yeah, I was suprised with that assesment, cause the thing you always hear about Strasburgh is how refined his secondary pitches are for a young pitcher, but his former manager said it didn't matter, with his deleivery he sould be made a closer to save the innings on his arm, and again, this is a guys who's spent a good portion of his life around the game.
Well ONE great week I was only there 6 days, but yeah, GREAT weather. :D Went to Sachuset beach twice, spent some time with friends in Bristol, and Weekapaug (Westerly), did a sailing cruise of Newport on a 3 masted Schooner and had fabulous meals at several restaurants (God I miss those in Buffalo). Again sorry I couldn't fit you in, but couldn't find the time. Good news is, I KNOW I'll be back again, and I'll make it a priority next trip. :wink: :D
But back to baseball, yeah, I was suprised with that assesment, cause the thing you always hear about Strasburgh is how refined his secondary pitches are for a young pitcher, but his former manager said it didn't matter, with his deleivery he sould be made a closer to save the innings on his arm, and again, this is a guys who's spent a good portion of his life around the game.
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by the splinter » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:53 pm
The Senators will not be moving Stasburg to the pen anytime soon....you just dont pay the kinda coin they paid to him to have him toss 60-70 innings a year
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by RICHARDMILTER » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:23 am
Jerlins said:[quote:ddf55622f0]
17. For those that invest in baseball cards, you can purchase 1 Strasburg rookie card, I'll spend the same amount on 20 Stanton rookie cards and we'll compare the total value in 10 years. [/quote:ddf55622f0]
Personally I would not buy any card newer than 1989. And for the most part I like them to be 1979 or older. Some guys will not deal with cards unless they are from 1969 or older. But if you want to make good sound investments; buy mint condition, graded and slabbed 1970s Hall of Fame cards. Particularly guys like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. As the old racists of card collecting die off, Aaron and Mays cards (that are graded 8 or better) will go through the roof. They were not printing nearly as many of these cards as in the 1980s, and there is no reason a Nolan Ryan card should be up to five or ten times as expensive as a Hank Aaron card from the same year, in the same condition. Other than racism. I am sure a lot of people will disagree with my analysis, but those people will be wrong. Why in the World would a 1971 Nolan Ryan (in the same graded condition) sell for ten times what a Hank Aaron from the same year sells for,...other than the fact that most card collectors (not all...) are old white racists? Why? Why is Nolan Ryan worth so much more (from the same year and condition) as a Willie Mays or a Hank Aaron?
Buy vintage graded and slabbed cards. Baseball will not die, and these guys are selling for fractions of what white player's cards are selling for. Trust me on this! You can get nice late 60s and early 70s Hank Aarons and Willie Mays for cheap!
They print too many sets and copies of the new cards for them EVER to be worth anything. That is my three cents on the matter.
Alright here comes the deluge of criticism. Give me your best shot, I can handle it. Tell me there is no more prejudice in America. Actually I can tell, just listen to Dr. Laura. Racism is dead. And I am the next Tony Gwynn.....
17. For those that invest in baseball cards, you can purchase 1 Strasburg rookie card, I'll spend the same amount on 20 Stanton rookie cards and we'll compare the total value in 10 years. [/quote:ddf55622f0]
Personally I would not buy any card newer than 1989. And for the most part I like them to be 1979 or older. Some guys will not deal with cards unless they are from 1969 or older. But if you want to make good sound investments; buy mint condition, graded and slabbed 1970s Hall of Fame cards. Particularly guys like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. As the old racists of card collecting die off, Aaron and Mays cards (that are graded 8 or better) will go through the roof. They were not printing nearly as many of these cards as in the 1980s, and there is no reason a Nolan Ryan card should be up to five or ten times as expensive as a Hank Aaron card from the same year, in the same condition. Other than racism. I am sure a lot of people will disagree with my analysis, but those people will be wrong. Why in the World would a 1971 Nolan Ryan (in the same graded condition) sell for ten times what a Hank Aaron from the same year sells for,...other than the fact that most card collectors (not all...) are old white racists? Why? Why is Nolan Ryan worth so much more (from the same year and condition) as a Willie Mays or a Hank Aaron?
Buy vintage graded and slabbed cards. Baseball will not die, and these guys are selling for fractions of what white player's cards are selling for. Trust me on this! You can get nice late 60s and early 70s Hank Aarons and Willie Mays for cheap!
They print too many sets and copies of the new cards for them EVER to be worth anything. That is my three cents on the matter.
Alright here comes the deluge of criticism. Give me your best shot, I can handle it. Tell me there is no more prejudice in America. Actually I can tell, just listen to Dr. Laura. Racism is dead. And I am the next Tony Gwynn.....
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by Ninersphan » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:27 am
[quote:80cae13436="LMBombers"]If the best young pitchers should be made into closers to save their arms then who should be the starters?[/quote:80cae13436]
No one is saying ALL the best young pitchers, but when a great one comes along with certianl mechanics or a "violent delivery" red flags go up. This is the case with Stasburgh.
No one is saying ALL the best young pitchers, but when a great one comes along with certianl mechanics or a "violent delivery" red flags go up. This is the case with Stasburgh.
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by Jerlins » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:39 am
[quote:48ff706fd2="rmilter"]Jerlins said:[quote:48ff706fd2]
17. For those that invest in baseball cards, you can purchase 1 Strasburg rookie card, I'll spend the same amount on 20 Stanton rookie cards and we'll compare the total value in 10 years. [/quote:48ff706fd2]
Personally I would not buy any card newer than 1989. And for the most part I like them to be 1979 or older. Some guys will not deal with cards unless they are from 1969 or older. But if you want to make good sound investments; buy mint condition, graded and slabbed 1970s Hall of Fame cards. Particularly guys like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. As the old racists of card collecting die off, Aaron and Mays cards (that are graded 8 or better) will go through the roof. They were not printing nearly as many of these cards as in the 1980s, and there is no reason a Nolan Ryan card should be up to five or ten times as expensive as a Hank Aaron card from the same year, in the same condition. Other than racism. I am sure a lot of people will disagree with my analysis, but those people will be wrong. Why in the World would a 1971 Nolan Ryan (in the same graded condition) sell for ten times what a Hank Aaron from the same year sells for,...other than the fact that most card collectors (not all...) are old white racists? Why? Why is Nolan Ryan worth so much more (from the same year and condition) as a Willie Mays or a Hank Aaron?
Buy vintage graded and slabbed cards. Baseball will not die, and these guys are selling for fractions of what white player's cards are selling for. Trust me on this! You can get nice late 60s and early 70s Hank Aarons and Willie Mays for cheap!
They print too many sets and copies of the new cards for them EVER to be worth anything. That is my three cents on the matter.
Alright here comes the deluge of criticism. Give me your best shot, I can handle it. Tell me there is no more prejudice in America. Actually I can tell, just listen to Dr. Laura. Racism is dead. And I am the next Tony Gwynn.....[/quote:48ff706fd2]
There are two reasons why a 1971 Ryan goes for tens times that of a Hank Aaron, neither of which has to do with racism. For one, it's Ryan's 3rd year card, it's Aaron's 16th. Cards in general are more in demand in the earlier years of a player. Second, and most important, is the fact that back in the early 70's, Topps issued cards in series. The packs that Ryan were in were printed in much less quantity due to the lack of vendor demand as the season and the summer moved to a close. Topps stopped this practice after the 1973 series and began printing all its cards in one series.
Nice attempt to add your political views to a subject.
As for your opinion on older versus newer cards, well, that's another debate. I will tell you however, that if you purchased a 12 box case of 2010 Bowman baseball in May for $850. (my case price when issued), I'd be willing to pay you $1600. for that same case today. That isn't a bad 2 month return on investment. :wink:
17. For those that invest in baseball cards, you can purchase 1 Strasburg rookie card, I'll spend the same amount on 20 Stanton rookie cards and we'll compare the total value in 10 years. [/quote:48ff706fd2]
Personally I would not buy any card newer than 1989. And for the most part I like them to be 1979 or older. Some guys will not deal with cards unless they are from 1969 or older. But if you want to make good sound investments; buy mint condition, graded and slabbed 1970s Hall of Fame cards. Particularly guys like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. As the old racists of card collecting die off, Aaron and Mays cards (that are graded 8 or better) will go through the roof. They were not printing nearly as many of these cards as in the 1980s, and there is no reason a Nolan Ryan card should be up to five or ten times as expensive as a Hank Aaron card from the same year, in the same condition. Other than racism. I am sure a lot of people will disagree with my analysis, but those people will be wrong. Why in the World would a 1971 Nolan Ryan (in the same graded condition) sell for ten times what a Hank Aaron from the same year sells for,...other than the fact that most card collectors (not all...) are old white racists? Why? Why is Nolan Ryan worth so much more (from the same year and condition) as a Willie Mays or a Hank Aaron?
Buy vintage graded and slabbed cards. Baseball will not die, and these guys are selling for fractions of what white player's cards are selling for. Trust me on this! You can get nice late 60s and early 70s Hank Aarons and Willie Mays for cheap!
They print too many sets and copies of the new cards for them EVER to be worth anything. That is my three cents on the matter.
Alright here comes the deluge of criticism. Give me your best shot, I can handle it. Tell me there is no more prejudice in America. Actually I can tell, just listen to Dr. Laura. Racism is dead. And I am the next Tony Gwynn.....[/quote:48ff706fd2]
There are two reasons why a 1971 Ryan goes for tens times that of a Hank Aaron, neither of which has to do with racism. For one, it's Ryan's 3rd year card, it's Aaron's 16th. Cards in general are more in demand in the earlier years of a player. Second, and most important, is the fact that back in the early 70's, Topps issued cards in series. The packs that Ryan were in were printed in much less quantity due to the lack of vendor demand as the season and the summer moved to a close. Topps stopped this practice after the 1973 series and began printing all its cards in one series.
Nice attempt to add your political views to a subject.
As for your opinion on older versus newer cards, well, that's another debate. I will tell you however, that if you purchased a 12 box case of 2010 Bowman baseball in May for $850. (my case price when issued), I'd be willing to pay you $1600. for that same case today. That isn't a bad 2 month return on investment. :wink:
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