1969 single team theme league - drafting

[Risden]

Round 1
1. pwootten - 61.08 - McCovey (47.73 remaining) - McCovey traded to Franky
2. PM770 - 58.77 - Hank Aaron (48.66 left)
3. Risden - 41.00 - Bobby Bonds (32.80 remaining)
4. pwootten (via trade with Risden) - Cleon Jones - remaining cap - 38.05

Round 2
1. Risden (via trade with pwootten) - Jimmy Wynn - remaining cap - 22.67
2. PM770 - 48.66
3. franky35
4. Risden
5. rjnewman - 39.28
6. LMbombers - 39.16
7. caimrisek - 34.04
8. evanthomas - 33.86

Round 3
1. pwootten
2. PM770
3. franky35
4. pwootten (via trade with Risden)
5. rjnewman
6. LMbombers
7. caimrisek
8. evanthomas
9. Rick Smith - 32.48
10. ggrover15 - 23.86
11. gfdwarf - 18.48
12. Gordie Howe - 5.84

[Rjnewman]

All the Del Unsers and Popovich's after this message board draft. Giving up superstars to veterans is detrimental to league. Franky and Bob u should be helping him- not using up his cap and taking the best of the best. You guys were already likely to trounce him in your division without any help from him.

[Rjnewman]

negating much of the value in taking padres. 4 million lost relative to Jones. Explain to wooten there will be tons of players available post message board draft. Much more than what typically does not get drafted. Popovich salary plus 4 million can get quite a good player. Same goes for Del Unser but you guys know that.

[pkwmati]

Round 1
1. pwootten - 61.08 - McCovey (47.73 remaining) - McCovey traded to Franky
2. PM770 - 58.77 - Hank Aaron (48.66 left)
3. Risden - 41.00 - Bobby Bonds (32.80 remaining)
4. pwootten (via trade with Risden) - Cleon Jones - remaining cap - 38.05

Round 2
1. Risden (via trade with pwootten) - Jimmy Wynn - remaining cap - 22.67
2. PM770 - 48.66 - Rico Carty (44.13 left)
3. franky35
4. Risden
5. rjnewman - 39.28
6. LMbombers - 39.16
7. caimrisek - 34.04
8. evanthomas - 33.86

Round 3
1. pwootten
2. PM770 - 44.13
3. franky35
4. pwootten (via trade with Risden)
5. rjnewman
6. LMbombers
7. caimrisek
8. evanthomas
9. Rick Smith - 32.48
10. ggrover15 - 23.86
11. gfdwarf - 18.48
12. Gordie Howe - 5.84

[franky35]

OK, let's put the brakes on here and get some feedback from owners.

The key issue here is how much the commissioner or the league should step in to evaluate the fairness of trades.

I agree that pwootten should not have made either trade. The McCovey trade is not all that bad. Popovich is way undervalued (I've probably won 10 championships with Popo at 2nd) and is quite a good fit for San Diego Stadium, and I figured that he'd take Marichal at #3. Not bad, IMO. But McCovey is great and, IMO, pwootten would be better off keeping him.

There is no excuse for the Unser trade. Unser sucks.

Let me raise another point - Carty #6 overall - with no DH? Should we allow that?

I also think Epstein for Yaz is a bad trade for the Senators. But close enough that it shouldn't be overturned.

I would go even a step further and say that, IMO, San Diego is not a competitive pick in this format. I won with San Diego in a 1 team format BUT that was with an 80 mil cap.

And as a final point - please give me a break and don't use the word "rape" for a game.

[franky35]

[quote:9e16930b4c]negating much of the value in taking padres. 4 million lost relative to Jones. Explain to wooten there will be tons of players available post message board draft. Much more than what typically does not get drafted. Popovich salary plus 4 million can get quite a good player. Same goes for Del Unser but you guys know that. [/quote:9e16930b4c]

I disagree with this comment. This is a 100 mil league. There ain't gonna be sh*t left after the message board draft. Unser might be available, but that doesn't change my opinion. There won't be a second basemen better than Popovich available after the 100 mil draft.

[franky35]

My initial thought is to reverse both trades involving pwootten and restart the entire draft from scratch. But I'd like to hear from the owners about what would be fair.

Risden makes a fair point. San Diego needs a large number of players. At some point, pwootten probably needs to make a deal for multiple players. The Unser deal is unfair, but how do I (the commissioner) decide what is fair?

Another point is, pwootten has won multiple championships. So, he is not a newbie.

[Rjnewman]

Bought Joe Morgan and had Popovich money to buy someone else.Key to Padres is using the period when they and cleveland are all that have money left to fill roster. During waivers and before league starts there will be many players left Franky because many franchises will take few players in message board draft because of initial cap. Each team will be keeping the 39-95 million of players during message board portion. Leaving many more available tahn 100 mil cap from scratch. If you think about it you will amend your "******" comment to mean only after season truly begins.

[caimrisek]

I think there should be NO trading allowed until after the league is created...then balls to the wall!!!!!

[GFDWARF07]

In my view the league would be more interesting without these trades. It's fun to see the franchises plus their dream free agents take on the competition. But Franky made up the league and he included provisions for trades, so that is the field we play on.

The language criticizing the trades was too strong in my view. Not fun stuff to read. We should keep it fun here - we always have for the most part. If you have a beef, state it and I am sure we can find a solution like gentlemen.

The cap is the equalizer, but 100M is a lot of cash in 1969. McCovey does not gaurantee a title and takes up a lot of cap room. But that being said, I would take him in a flash, given the opportunity, and would have given up a lot more than Popovich to get him. The bottom line is Paul was not enamored with Mac so he traded down, got some talent and kept a first round pick. The issue may have been that the trigger was pulled before other offers might have come in. I honestly didn't even know we had filled before Mac had been traded (that's my fault, but true none-the-less).

I am comfortable with whatever decision you make Franky. Reset the clock and start over is one option - arguably the cleanest - let Paul hear more offers for McCovey? Pushing forward as is lies at the other end of the spectrum.

Either way none of this was done with any ill intent, I am sure.