Additional ATG Card Possibilities

[george barnard]

As Bernie mentioned, part of the on-going changes to the ATG game we all love is the addition of new cards regularly (?). It is our input that will more than likely determine what cards get in. I know some of us are not necessarily thrilled with additional cards, but some of us are. The lists that are consultable have been pieced together over the last year through everybody's suggestions here and there. There are three lists. Batters, Pitchers, and Teams (the idea being that complete teams could be a way of adding important and not so important players as well as creating natural rivalries -- I have listed possibilities (by winning percentage over blocks of 22 years) but it is just a way of starting debate. By all means, make more suggestions either on the thread or pm me. I will do my best to update the lists with relative haste. Please try to be specific. If you say, "Jeff Treadway's Best Year", you may be disappointed if I put down 1989, when you wanted 1990.

Batters:

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Pitchers:

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Teams:

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Happy Hunting!

Bill

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[i:5e4f05a211]Edit by bernieh, 6/8/11:[/i:5e4f05a211]

Hey everybody!

First of all I wanted to give a [b:5e4f05a211]big thanks to george barnard[/b:5e4f05a211] for doing us all the big service of collecting and organizing everybody's requests. He took up the charge back when we were putting together ATG VI and he was/is a pleasure to work with. At the time SOM was only available to deliver a small subset of the request list, focusing on cards from 1980 and later. But of course g.b.'s work will remain as the basis by which we determine the cards you want to see and communicate them to SOM going forward.

At this time I'll be asking g.b. to send me what he's got so that I can move ahead with acquiring as many of the requests as I can for you. I do have to give the usual disclaimer that SOM will NOT be able to deliver all of the cards on the list, and in fact will only be tackling a relatively small subset again. This is simply the usual reality of their schedule and the work involved in preparing the data for use in SOM Online. However, I WILL be doing my absolute best to have SOM focus on the cards that are the most important, from a variety of eras, so hopefully I can make most of you happy.

For a bit more detail, the biggest amount of work that SOM has to do is preparing cards that they do not already have Advanced or Super-Advanced versions of in their library - particularly from the early part of the century. Those cards don't have the necessary Ballpark HR and Single readings on them for use in SOM Online, so SOM has to run them through some sort of process to add them. Frankly, I'm not sure why this process is so resource-intensive, but I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust that they're doing the best that they can.

The list of Advanced and Super-Advanced seasons from which it is MUCH easier for them to deliver cards to us is below. These are the years from which we much prefer to request cards... but that said, again, I [i:5e4f05a211]will[/i:5e4f05a211] be lobbying for as many important cards from other years as I can.

[b:5e4f05a211]Advanced and Super-Advanced seasons[/b:5e4f05a211]
1911
1920
1924
1927
1930
1934
1941
1948
1950
1951
1954
1955
1956
1957
1959-2010

[rburgh]

1. What do you mean by SITH?

2. I repeat my request for a good Harlond Clift card or two - he was a really good player for a long time, the first real power threat at 3B. I guess 1938 would be his best season, but others could be close.

more later

[george barnard]

SITH=Significant Impact on Team History
Based on career leaders in Baseball-Reference team encyclopedia
After, I tried to find a good/representative year for the player (especially for those who are uncarded). (I thought I had been exhaustive, but looking now I discover that I forgot Craig Counsell for the Diamondbacks (laugh if you must but he was an important defensive cog for a team that has such a short history) so I'll probably go through everybody again to make sure.

(BTW, BIP=Bill's idiosyncratic choice, non-stars who act as reasonable foils for those that shine more brightly or great players who seem to fly under the radar)

I'll get Clift included right away. 1937 (better overall with defense) & 1938 (better offensively)

Keep 'em coming.

Bill

[voovits]

I know I don't play ATG, so take this request for what it's worth (as it has in the past). But I'd love to see my favorite player, Kevin McReynolds, get his two best career cards. 88 and 86.

[Valen]

I have been lobbying so long and persistently without success for Lou Brock that I have given up on imagining my input matters on player selection. We will get whomever strato decides to give to TSN for whatever their reasons are. Since they have no presence here could only speculate.

One interesting player would be Omar Vizquel the year he had an almost perfect defensive rating.

[george barnard]

Clift added as well as McReynolds (86 & 88). The 74 Brock was on the list, I added the '67 Brock which ain't bad either (if you don't think it's a good idea, I can take it off). I'm with you Valen, the 74 Brock definitely has its place in this set. As for Vizquel, I wasn't sure which years you meant, so I added 2000 (3 errors) and 2006 (4 errors).

Bill

[bontomn]

How about Mark Davis' Cy Young year (1989) with the Padres? He was virtually unhittable with that big curve.

[george barnard]

Davis is already on the list, but you're right, he would be a great addition.

[AeroDave10]

You can take your pick, but I would like to see some more of the current (and/or recently retirees) added to the mix. I know that was part of the point of ATG VI, but I'd like to see a continued expansion of that.

Another general comment, but there also needs to be more high-priced singles and doubles hitters for those wanting to play small ball. I know these cards are already on that giant list of yours, but some examples include:

Willie Keeler 1897
Lew Fonseca 1929
Cy Seymour 1905
Hugh Duffy 1894
Lefty O'Doul 1929
Harry Heilmann 1921
Earl Webb 1931
Garret Anderson 2002

[Placenta Pie]

2005 Derrek Lee; 1996 Gary Sheffield; 2001 Luis Gonzalez; 2003 Mark Prior; 2007 or 2008 Hanley Ramirez; 2007 Jake Peavy; 1945 Phil Cavarretta