Babe Adams Super Reliever Question

[The Last Druid]

I've decided to use him as a super reliever, I think for the first time. Four lousy starters: Purkey, Higbe, Kennedy, Weaver. Cheap bullpen. And Adams.

My question is to get the maximum [u:de54a365c4]useful[/u:de54a365c4] innings out of him I'm assuming that he should be listed as middle man and set-up, no closer listed for the team? Is this correct? I'm setting him to F6 also so once he comes in he should stay in for quite a while.

Starters will all be quick hook, I'm thinking 7 innings max not 6 for the few times they may actually pitch well. It's not like Adams can pitch every game. Mitch Williams is mop up and the other 3 relievers are Sambito, Shirley and Linzy.

Am I on track here with Babe or is further tweaking of settings advisable?

[DOUGELKE]

Yes used him as a closer a few times as a closer and didn't get the innings out of him in that role

[gkhd11a]

To me if you want Babe Adams optimized that would mean him pitching as much as possible and the rest of the money invested in pitching that would help but allow a lot of money for hitters to pull games out. My rules to optimize would be
1) Pitching staff 4 or 5 starters all with no relief ratings --- if using non-star --- that only go 5 innings and have on go no further than 6 innings. Possibility of one good pitcher with R9 rating to give Babe rest but that would cut his innings, but they might be better
2) 3 relievers with R1 ratings one being Trevor Hoffman set to maximise as closer. Other 2 probably Caudill for righty specialist and Joe Sambito for lefty specialist quick hook avoid opposite sides.
3) Adams listed for all other possible options except mopup. Slow hook do not relieve before FO

You should now get 410 innings or 45 games worth out of Adams. Now you just have to have a team that can outhit your opponents. Your other starters should get about 150 to 165 innings each if using 5 starters and that leaves you with about 300 innings to muddle through

[PotKettleBlack]

[quote:cffeb27f4d="gkhd11a"]To me if you want Babe Adams optimized that would mean him pitching as much as possible and the rest of the money invested in pitching that would help but allow a lot of money for hitters to pull games out. My rules to optimize would be
1) Pitching staff 4 or 5 starters all with no relief ratings --- if using non-star --- that only go 5 innings and have on go no further than 6 innings. Possibility of one good pitcher with R9 rating to give Babe rest but that would cut his innings, but they might be better
2) 3 relievers with R1 ratings one being Trevor Hoffman set to maximise as closer. Other 2 probably Caudill for righty specialist and Joe Sambito for lefty specialist quick hook avoid opposite sides.
3) Adams listed for all other possible options except mopup. Slow hook do not relieve before FO

You should now get 410 innings or 45 games worth out of Adams. Now you just have to have a team that can outhit your opponents. Your other starters should get about 150 to 165 innings each if using 5 starters and that leaves you with about 300 innings to muddle through[/quote:cffeb27f4d]

Here's the total salary cap question.
Is it more important to maximize Babe Adams or to maximize the team.
410 IP of Adams, many fatigued, seems like it might be suboptimal, even though you get him the most innings.

Instead: 4* pitchers, One quality, one quality scrub (Higbe for example), two decent short inning guys. Smoltz to close, with other R1 guys. Babe set to all roles. The idea behind having one other stud pitcher is that it builds in a day off for the Babe. Yes, a Joss or a Tree Finger do take IP away from Babe, but they also help improve the bulk of the IP that are pitched, including those by Babe.

[Honyox R Us]

I agree w/Pot. Maximizing the innings can blow up in your face. I had Sutter in my most recently completed league. He pitched 326 regular-season innings and for an R3 guy, I think I got the most out of him.

I left the same settings for the playoffs and therein lies the problem. He was worn down and by game game 5 of the finals he entered it at F4. Game 6, he came in at 0 and couldn't pitch in game 7.

He pitched 1 total inning in the last 3 games... thankfully I still ended up winning it all but I rode that horse too hard and put him up wet too many times.

Using Babe (or whoever) as middle man, throwing 3-4 innings/game and having good closers to throw an inning would be ideal.

[motherscratcher]

I think Pot is making sense. I'm curious as to what a "two decent short inning guys" looks like? And how much are you spending on the staff overall?

Joss = $10
Babe = $8
Higbe = $3
Smoltz = $5

That's $26 and change on the staff and you have to add 2 more starters and 2 more relievers minimum.

You have to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for the rest of the staff and still be able to put a respectable offense on the field in a $80 million cap. Is this a case where the strategy only works at $100 mil or higher?

[macnole]

I don't know Petro--whatever you are doing with the pure reliever Sutter has worked well!

[PotKettleBlack]

[quote:283069cb10="macnole"]I don't know Petro--whatever you are doing with the pure reliever Sutter has worked well![/quote:283069cb10]

Sutter is the man. He makes a good case for not wasting time with maximizing Babe Adams.

[PotKettleBlack]

[quote:4ac17d5618="motherscratcher"]I think Pot is making sense. I'm curious as to what a "two decent short inning guys" looks like? And how much are you spending on the staff overall?

Joss = $10
Babe = $8
Higbe = $3
Smoltz = $5

That's $26 and change on the staff and you have to add 2 more starters and 2 more relievers minimum.

You have to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for the rest of the staff and still be able to put a respectable offense on the field in a $80 million cap. Is this a case where the strategy only works at $100 mil or higher?[/quote:4ac17d5618]

I don't play much 80, so yeah, it's a 100m strategy.
Something like:
Joss 10
Babe 8
Andy Taylor 4.5
Higbe 3.5
Monte Weaver or Mickey Harris 3
Tunnell. .5
Smoltz 5
Loogy 1
Roogy 1
Loogy 1

Leaves you a lot of space for bats at 100. I'm not saying I'd play it, because I admire U2's efficiency. Consider two bands... the Who (who I love) and U2 (who don't do it for me as much).
U2 is arranged like this:
Bono: Sings, writes lyrics, rhythm guitar
Edge: Guitar, writes music, background vocals (except for one song)
Clayton: Bass
Mullen: Drums (or vice versa, doesn't matter).

There are no U2 songs where Edge plays rhythm or the bassist takes the lead part.

In the Who, Daltrey is the lead singer, except when Townshend is. Townshend writes all the music and lyrics, except when Daltrey, Entwhistle or Moon did. Townshend plays the lead parts on the guitar, except when he plays rhythm and lets the Ox take the lead. Brilliant, because it gave them so much flexibility (consider Who Are You vs Boris the Spider vs Blue Red and Gray), but massively disorganized.

Babe Adams Super Reliever/Spot Starter is the Pete Townshend of pitchers. Sutter is The Edge.

[macnole]

One point of order, as I have the opposite sentiment on U2 and The Who...Adam and Edge will switch roles on "40". Although they no longer do that at their live shows, as they no longer finish with that song. A pity. Minor note on the greatest band of the last 2 decades...
:P