Can my Offense overcome my defense?

Can my Offense overcome my defense?

Postby dalekeener » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:22 pm

Here is my team for a league starting tonight. There isn't much available for 2b or ss. Phillips is the best of breed. Is my team overall going to fall because of poor defense?


http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/team/team_other.html?user_id=337561


any last minute advice would be appreciated...

Dale
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Postby LARRYLANG » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:46 pm

The only one that scares me defensively is Uggla at 2b. But, with that park and his bat I say go for it. There are many reasons not to play a 4e19 up the middle but his bat should make up for it in my opinion. I think your team looks pretty good. Good luck. Make a posting about midway through and let is see how they;re doing.
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Postby durantjerry » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:00 am

As someone who likes to go against the grain and who has tried "4"'s at 2B, SS and CF with some success, I would like to say you have a chance, but I can't see it happening. I think you would be lucky not to lose 90 games.
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Postby dalekeener » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:18 am

[quote:3dcb1583c0="durantjerry"]As someone who likes to go against the grain and who has tried "4"'s at 2B, SS and CF with some success, I would like to say you have a chance, but I can't see it happening. I think you would be lucky not to lose 90 games.[/quote:3dcb1583c0]


Ouch :cry: ...I will keep posting results and see what happens...(opened 2-1)...staying positive :lol:
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Postby mesquiton » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:27 pm

Dale, I've also won some leagues with "3"s and "4"s up the middle. The "3"s (especially with low errors) might not hurt too much, but I haven't found many players whose bats can overcome "4"s.

Some things to consider in general:

On offense, assuming an average of 4 plate appearances per game, your hitter's card will determine the outcome of 2 appearances, with the other 2 coming from the opposing pitcher's card/defense.

On defense, your 2b card will, on average, determine the outcome of about 1.1 chances per game, your SS card will account for about 1.3, and your CF defense will determine about 1 chance every 2 games.

So, using CF as an example, to decide whether a CF-4 with a good bat is better for your team than a CF-2 with a bad bat, you basically need to assess whether his 4 offensive card appearances every 2 games are likely to help you, more than his 1 defensive chance every 2 games will hurt you.

It's also important to consider your ballpark. I usually play in slugger parks, so lots of BPHRs can go a long way toward making up for some bad defense. A few extra homers can make up for a lot of defensive lapses. For example, for his salary, I've not regretted playing Beltran [CF 4(-1)e3] in the field against lefties. But I would never draft him for a pitcher's park. (I suspect it's harder to overcome bad defense in a pitcher's park, but will leave it to someone more experienced to offer advice on that.)

Also, keep in mind that a CF4(-1)e3 might hurt you less than, say, a CF2(+3)e50. And, remember that bad infield defense results mostly in extra singles and errors and fewer double plays, while bad outfield defense (especially 4s) will give up lots of extra-base hits and big errors.

And finally, remember to take all this advice with a grain of salt...HAL can make fools of us all!
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Postby chasenally » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:06 am

That was good advice to think about on players and there ratings. The grain of salt is the best for personal use. If you put your team out there and say "tell me what you think?" Some will tell you Obama is a great leader of the free world and others will tell you he needs to go fly a kite and leave office.
Durantjerry is one of those guys that I have played against and I form most of my teams from what I learned from how he puts together his teams. He never pulls punches when he gives advice just answers the question you put forth.

Is my team overall going to fall because of poor defense?

I think you would be lucky not to lose 90 games.

Losing 89 would make you the winner here but that's not really what works is it?
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Postby durantjerry » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:20 am

I will elaborate a little on my opinion.
1)When you play those poor defenders you have to commit to out slugging your opposition because your defense is just going to allow more runs to be scored against you and I think this 2010 set is the least geared to outslugging your opposition. There seem to be less very good offensive players than in previous years and even then a poor defense up the middle strategy was tough to have success with. Also, others may have had different experiences, but I also think it is harder to win a no-DH league with a slugging team, as giving away the DH hole(where you could load up with offense) narrows the gap between your slugging team and those taking a more balanced approach.
2)Not only do you have poor defense at 2B/SS, you also have a "3" in CF and Wright is only an average 3B. It just has the look of a team with too many defensive holes to me.
3)I agree that a players hitting can make up for his poor "D", but there is no guarantee that will happen. None of the three players you are using are exceptional. Uribe is really not even good, Wells is very good vs RHP's, but is really a platoon player. I'm sure Uggla can be very good, but I used him at 2B in Yankee with the other parks being Camden, US Cell and Citizens while the rest of the league was average with no Targets or Petco's. That's a pretty decent league set up for him to excel and he went:536 75 135 23 2 32 85 74 157 0 0 18 .252 .345 .481, which is decent, but I'm not sure it makes up for his horrific "D".
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Postby Jeepdriver » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:27 am

Don't we have that unwritten rule that you don't ask for advice on Tour teams?
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Postby dalekeener » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:50 am

[quote:3530987cd5="Jeepdriver"]Don't we have that unwritten rule that you don't ask for advice on Tour teams?[/quote:3530987cd5]


My apologies I did not know that...My team already went live and was set before I read any of the postings....So for what it is worth Uggla is still manning the 2b spot for my team with his iron glove attached.....
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Postby durantjerry » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:52 am

Well, I hope you are successful, but my teams don't tend to win when they can't pass the "Cringe" test. That is, do my hitters defensive ratings make me cringe when I look at my lineups.
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