Changing the Autodraft

[Valen]

[quote:85bb1ea9a3]the only way to semi-get what you want is to understand how the broken system works when making your selections in the first place. Then base your picks on the system, not who you 'really' want.
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For a rookie you have figured this out pretty quick.

[quote:85bb1ea9a3]undrafted CFer could very well take away my #3 round pick, which was a legit spot for that player. In essence I will end up being penalized for your poor draft card staregy.
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No, you won't because your #4 would bump up and you would still get a good player. As it is what you call a good draft strategy of placing whomever at #3 is really just luck. Because it was always a possibility someone else might have put that player at 3 or above and you get stuck with Earle Combs or some other shlup only good for cutting.

Improving the autodraft shifts from understanding and manipulating a broken system to understanding and drafting good strato cards. A good strategy becomes about drafting good cards and a poor one from drafting bad cards. With the current system what separates good from bad draft strategy is partly understanding the broken system but mostly just plain luck.

[Valen]

[quote:7631a15507]I know there have been numerous conversations had about the auto-draft, but so far no one has organized and presented me with an official/unofficial list of problems and solutions that the community agrees upon as a whole. Feel free to discuss this more comprehensively and try to put together a plan, and I'd be happy to review and comment on it, and hopefully implement the best solutions.
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I created 2 polls in the ATG forum. One asking if improvement is needed. The second present 3 options for voting on what the improvement should be.

Anyone know the best method of cross posting these polls in the other forums such as 200x online forum so they point to these and all votes/comments will be in one place?

[geekor]

[quote:ef86665522="Valen"]Improving the autodraft shifts from understanding and manipulating a broken system to understanding and drafting good strato cards. A good strategy becomes about drafting good cards and a poor one from drafting bad cards. With the current system what separates good from bad draft strategy is partly understanding the broken system but mostly just plain luck.[/quote:ef86665522]

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somebody here gets it

[Coffeeholic]

[quote:41c18720f2="Valen"]

[quote:41c18720f2]undrafted CFer could very well take away my #3 round pick, which was a legit spot for that player. In essence I will end up being penalized for your poor draft card staregy.
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No, you won't because your #4 would bump up and you would still get a good player. As it is what you call a good draft strategy of placing whomever at #3 is really just luck. Because it was always a possibility someone else might have put that player at 3 or above and you get stuck with Earle Combs or some other shlup only good for cutting.

Improving the autodraft shifts from understanding and manipulating a broken system to understanding and drafting good strato cards. A good strategy becomes about drafting good cards and a poor one from drafting bad cards. With the current system what separates good from bad draft strategy is partly understanding the broken system but mostly just plain luck.[/quote:41c18720f2]

C'mon Valen? I'll agree that missing out on a #1 or #2 does revolve around luck, and my biggest beef is that no matter who I seem to put at #1, I always miss out. However, continually getting 20 plus picks from your draft card represents skill and an understanding of how the draft works. If it takes some experience to understand optimal draft strategies, this does not mean that one is manipulating a broken system.

And yes, IMO, giving you one of my picks as a consolation does penalize me for having a sound draft startegy.

[ADRIANGABRIEL]

2 things:

1. For me, this is only a concern at $140M and above. So, there are workarounds--namely, don't join those leagues or live draft. (Only applies to ATG, sorry.)
2. How about adding a "Do Not Draft" list?

[newmish]

[quote:8caaf59938="LaGrandeOrange"]C'mon Valen? I'll agree that missing out on a #1 or #2 does revolve around luck, and my biggest beef is that no matter who I seem to put at #1, I always miss out. [b:8caaf59938][u:8caaf59938]However, continually getting 20 plus picks from your draft card represents skill and an understanding of how the draft works. If it takes some experience to understand optimal draft strategies[/u:8caaf59938][/b:8caaf59938], this does not mean that one is manipulating a broken system.

And yes, IMO, giving you one of my picks as a consolation does penalize me for having a sound draft startegy.[/quote:8caaf59938]

This is exactly my point.

There is this inherent game within the game, that only comes to those who have played more often. This is something that vets probably want to keep while noobies get left behind.

My point being, take the system as a possibility. Is it possible in the current system (not probable mind you) that someone could miss all 25 of their picks? In the current system, yes it is. Because that possibility even exists. There should be no situation where someone could get no one they drafted.

Hence the system is flawed from the start.

[macnole]

I think it's fine. Everyone plays by the same rules. If you want more control, then live draft.

A drafting strategy [i:6d4dbc5092]is[/i:6d4dbc5092] part of the game as designed...that's part of the appeal. And there are so many players at each position that it's not like the 201X game.

[Mr Baseball World]

A changed system would not eliminate drafting strategy, it would change it to something more logical.

[geekor]

[quote:43c19ae2a0="macnole"]I think it's fine. Everyone plays by the same rules. If you want more control, then live draft.

A drafting strategy [i:43c19ae2a0]is[/i:43c19ae2a0] part of the game as designed...that's part of the appeal. And there are so many players at each position that it's not like the 201X game.[/quote:43c19ae2a0]

Wait you mean ATG is separate from the other games ? :roll:

Seriously, the games all are under one umbrella, it would be for 207-201x + ATG + 1999 + 90'y mystery, etc.

the issue is the ATG forum is the most used so the topic gets posted here. Realistically Bernie should help make one of those topics that is seen in ALL forums and post a link in the game as well so we can have a real conversation about it.

[macnole]

[quote:34ea197f57]Wait you mean ATG is separate from the other games ? :roll:

Seriously, the games all are under one umbrella, it would be for 207-201x + ATG + 1999 + 90'y mystery, etc[/quote:34ea197f57]

Not sure of the point. It indeed was posted in this forum, and I responded to it in the context of this forum.

All it is is my opinion. Not meant to impede "real" discussion. There is not going to be a perfect auto draft; nor an auto draft that pleases everyone. In the scheme of things, I personally view this as a lower priority than gameplay or game logic improvements.

But that's just one vote.