Is it Okay to copy someones team???

[nevdully's]

and put me in for an identa-league...both with exact settings or independent settings for a change.

[Salty]

Okay-

The manager in question now admits he looked at my team when making up his but says he didn't copy 'player for player'

He now admits that all of the players in question were in fact on his draft card.

My response is- I wouldn't copy my own team player for player- because I missed on a number of the players I actually would have wanted- and put on my draft list. :roll:


Okay- now that we have established that- please continue to tell me weather you think its okay or not for someone to 'copy' my/a team- if not player for player, then with one or two changes...
and even though Im not playing in the exact same park in this league it definitely hurt my draft list.

[nevdully's]

[quote:5e639747c1]now that we have established that- please continue to tell me weather you think its okay or not for someone to 'copy' my/a team- if not player for player, then with one or two changes...
and even though Im not playing in the exact same park in this league it definitely hurt my draft list. [/quote:5e639747c1]

I don't care whether it hurt my team or not. Actually that would be a strategy...Petro has done that to me to shake me out of my comfort zone and as a strategy I like it...But copying because you can't think for yourself is legal of course, but just plain weak (imo)...and to lie when called on it is pitiful.

[supertyphoon]

There's a competing historical baseball simulation - What If Sports - that allows multiple teams to have the same the player, and it's possible for managers to copy successful teams man-for-man. I've even seem copycat teams in the same league. I haven't had any teams there in quite a while, but piggybacking was rampant when I did, and it didn't make the game nearly as fun or challenging if one pioneering manager managed to put together 100+ win team, only to see it copied over and over ad nauseum after it was posted on the list of all-time best records.

If someone is new or wants to try a style of play you've been successful at, I see no problem if they want to copy your team and they ask you for help and suggestions while doing so. Eventually they'll modify that blueprint to suit their particular tastes and managerial style, and they won't need mentoring.

On the other hand, a blatant rip-off of another's team (a la WifS) is the lazy man's way out. It's not wrong, just lazy. And if he's in the same league as the manager copied from - without their permission - I feel like he should at least acknowledge the fact, not try to cover it up, and move on.

There's so many players available at all salary levels that anyone can make up for losing most of their players to another copycat team. In fact, I think I'd get greater satisfaction out of building a winning team from scratch through waivers and preseason moves than I would if I landed all the players on my draft list. The icing on the cake would be to win more games than the copycat team. That would be a more suitable form of karmic justice than complaining about it.

[The Last Druid]

Nev, that wasn't copying. It was drafting the guys you like so you couldn't get them. A big difference. Besides, I haven't done that since the player pool expanded.

[nevdully's]

You're right. And a valid strategy imo.

[Valen]

I don't think any set of players inherently belongs to anyone. Thus whomever someone drafts is their team no matter who might have had them in previous leagues. You don't want someone else getting certain players then put them higher on your draft card.

[doug_tucker10]

You can't copy player for player per league here at least..one reason i lost interest in online fantasy baseball leagues was because thousands of teams could have the same exact roster if they wanted, lousy "strategy" and boring. Here i don't care if people draft with a copied strategy in mind, with so many players now in the pool i can live with having to settle for such scrubs as Oscar Charleston or darn if i only manage to get Lou Gehrig to play 1b. :D

And i've been in at least one live draft where Barry Bonds didn't go until the 3rd round...with a salary cap, not the SOM live draft.

[Salty]

[quote:8ecd783d58="Valen"]I don't think any set of players inherently belongs to anyone. Thus whomever someone drafts is their team no matter who might have had them in previous leagues. You don't want someone else getting certain players then put them higher on your draft card.[/quote:8ecd783d58]

I'm curious, does this mean if I develop my own unique strategy for a park or type of park, its open season and anyone who sees it should be able to copy it?

If thats the case, why be original? Why not just use the strategies that everyone is using already in play, and my way of winning will just be to study everyone's draft list and try and outdraft em, knowing who they picked for similar parks?
Kind of like advanced scouting.
I mean we could just make everyones draft cards public and make it a study issue.


Im asking for real...would folks really enjoy that?
(I would not)

PS- I like figuring out my draft order- thats fun, but keep in mind you only get 1 number 1 pick, and sometimes you dont even get that.
Ultimately imo its completely self-defeatest to compete over more than a few cards with someone in the current set.

[Paul_Long71]

Petro,

I read Nev's post as you said. I think he was saying that you picked guys that he usually covets to make him have to adjust and "get out of his comfort zone". I don't think he meant you copied him. I think he was actually complementing you on that strategy.