General Baseball stat question: Zone Rating vs Range Factor?
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General Baseball stat question: Zone Rating vs Range Factor?
by modmark46 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:18 am
Which is generally considered the more important/valued stat for a fielder in mlb?
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by PotKettleBlack » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:39 am
UZR is generally a better stat... way more advanced, way complicated to calculate.
Range + Errors is a good old school way to look at fielding. UZR captures that and more.
Range + Errors is a good old school way to look at fielding. UZR captures that and more.
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by errormagnate » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:42 am
pardon my ignorance but what is UZR? I love pitching and fielding stats
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by JOSEPHKENDALL » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:49 am
[quote:569770e756="errormagnate"]pardon my ignorance but what is UZR? I love pitching and fielding stats[/quote:569770e756]
Ultimate Zone Rating
More info:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/uzr-on-fangraphs
Ultimate Zone Rating
More info:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/uzr-on-fangraphs
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by scorehouse » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:49 pm
where do you find the players lists with these ratings besides theri names?
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by JOSEPHKENDALL » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:34 am
[quote:aa58d01e5c="scorehouse"]where do you find the players lists with these ratings besides theri names?[/quote:aa58d01e5c]
This is an example. You have to go to each player and look it up.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1679&position=2B#fielding
This is an example. You have to go to each player and look it up.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1679&position=2B#fielding
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by macnole » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:05 pm
complicated doesn't equal accurate.
There is still subjectivity in the factors, even though they're being cited as objective. It's tough to capture...but IMO if there's going to be any subjectivity, it should be in watching the players play, and making inferences from that to augment the stats.
There is still subjectivity in the factors, even though they're being cited as objective. It's tough to capture...but IMO if there's going to be any subjectivity, it should be in watching the players play, and making inferences from that to augment the stats.
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by PotKettleBlack » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:24 pm
[quote:bab70a39a4="macnole"]complicated doesn't equal accurate.
There is still subjectivity in the factors, even though they're being cited as objective. It's tough to capture...but IMO if there's going to be any subjectivity, it should be in watching the players play, and making inferences from that to augment the stats.[/quote:bab70a39a4]
Yep. That's why I said:
[quote:bab70a39a4]UZR is generally a better stat... way more advanced, way complicated to calculate.
Range + Errors is a good old school way to look at fielding. UZR captures that and more.[/quote:bab70a39a4]
Not "UZR is a perfect stat because it's way more advances and way complicated to calculate." Because, demonstrably, it's not anything like a perfect stat. But generally speaking, better than Range + Errors.
There is still subjectivity in the factors, even though they're being cited as objective. It's tough to capture...but IMO if there's going to be any subjectivity, it should be in watching the players play, and making inferences from that to augment the stats.[/quote:bab70a39a4]
Yep. That's why I said:
[quote:bab70a39a4]UZR is generally a better stat... way more advanced, way complicated to calculate.
Range + Errors is a good old school way to look at fielding. UZR captures that and more.[/quote:bab70a39a4]
Not "UZR is a perfect stat because it's way more advances and way complicated to calculate." Because, demonstrably, it's not anything like a perfect stat. But generally speaking, better than Range + Errors.
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