Is it Okay to copy someones team???
by motherscratcher » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:40 pm
Reading through this thread is astounding. I just can't believe some of what is coming out here. Am I to understand that I should be making adjustments to my teams during the season?
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by nevdully's » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:56 pm
Right Charlie, no harm, no rule, no ownership, might win, might lose etc. but re-read my post about farting in a crowded elevator or WJannsen post just a bit above here....It seems you don't get that someone can understand and agree that there's no harm, no rule, no ownership, might win, might lose etc....and still not think it's a cool thing to do.
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by macnole » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:00 pm
[quote:127365471f="nevdully's"]I can't believe that so many people here and some smart ones like Charlie still don't understand [b:127365471f][u:127365471f]it's NOT ABOUT WHETHER THE COPYING TEAM IS SUCCESSFUL....It's NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN MODIFY YOUR OWN TEAM TO BE SUCCESSFUL... It's NOT ABOUT COMBINATIONS unless you think 25 men right down to the nickel scrub and the stadium is copying a "combination" of someone's team[/u:127365471f].[/b:127365471f]
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If I were not so self confident, I would think you said I was not smart
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Nev--he didn't mention if it were easy...I think the point is what is the point? Answer the question that must be answered in order to quantify your assertion:
Who determines the patents to teams? What's the current status? What are the definitions of a "copied" team? How is it enforced? Are all teams previously used protected? Or only ones that had a good season? What if they subsequently have a bad season in a different league? Back on the market? My it's a bit ridiculous.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/quote:127365471f]
If I were not so self confident, I would think you said I was not smart
:lol:
Nev--he didn't mention if it were easy...I think the point is what is the point? Answer the question that must be answered in order to quantify your assertion:
Who determines the patents to teams? What's the current status? What are the definitions of a "copied" team? How is it enforced? Are all teams previously used protected? Or only ones that had a good season? What if they subsequently have a bad season in a different league? Back on the market? My it's a bit ridiculous.
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by macnole » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:31 pm
?? What does farting in an elevator have to do with defining how to define copying a team?
Doesnt matter if its easy or smelly.
Who determines the patents to teams? What's the current status? What are the definitions of a "copied" team? How is it enforced? Are all teams previously used protected? Or only ones that had a good season? What if they subsequently have a bad season in a different league? Back on the market?
Doesnt matter if its easy or smelly.
Who determines the patents to teams? What's the current status? What are the definitions of a "copied" team? How is it enforced? Are all teams previously used protected? Or only ones that had a good season? What if they subsequently have a bad season in a different league? Back on the market?
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by Salty » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:53 pm
Would it bother anyone in any way, if I copied your post, reposted it as my thoughts and opinions and deleted your post?
How about if I retold a joke you made up and said I came up with it?
What if you told me the premise of a book you were gonna work on and I thought it was so great that I wrote a story using your idea?
NONE of these are illegal, does that mean you dont mind?
Second to answer how I know if Im the only one who used that combo:
The answer is 99.9 % sure that I am, why?
Because a fairly limited number of people have used that same stadium at that Cap Level in ATG 6.
Third:
TBH- if it was a newer player that had done it- Id be more likely to just say okay, hes trying to figure it out- everyone has to imitate somewhat before they are original- myself included.
SEE in music we have this same idea.
At some point you gotta be yourself or you are just repeating/recreating stuff...thats not an artist, thats a parrot.
Can you be original all the time, no, and we all have stuff we imitate, but at least give it a shot.
How about if I retold a joke you made up and said I came up with it?
What if you told me the premise of a book you were gonna work on and I thought it was so great that I wrote a story using your idea?
NONE of these are illegal, does that mean you dont mind?
Second to answer how I know if Im the only one who used that combo:
The answer is 99.9 % sure that I am, why?
Because a fairly limited number of people have used that same stadium at that Cap Level in ATG 6.
Third:
TBH- if it was a newer player that had done it- Id be more likely to just say okay, hes trying to figure it out- everyone has to imitate somewhat before they are original- myself included.
SEE in music we have this same idea.
At some point you gotta be yourself or you are just repeating/recreating stuff...thats not an artist, thats a parrot.
Can you be original all the time, no, and we all have stuff we imitate, but at least give it a shot.
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by gkhd11a » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:41 pm
[quote:a18bd29b8c="El-Saltman"]Would it bother anyone in any way, if I copied your post, reposted it as my thoughts and opinions and deleted your post?
How about if I retold a joke you made up and said I came up with it?
What if you told me the premise of a book you were gonna work on and I thought it was so great that I wrote a story using your idea?
NONE of these are illegal, does that mean you dont mind?
Second to answer how I know if Im the only one who used that combo:
The answer is 99.9 % sure that I am, why?
Because a fairly limited number of people have used that same stadium at that Cap Level in ATG 6.
Third:
TBH- if it was a newer player that had done it- Id be more likely to just say okay, hes trying to figure it out- everyone has to imitate somewhat before they are original- myself included.
SEE in music we have this same idea.
At some point you gotta be yourself or you are just repeating/recreating stuff...thats not an artist, thats a parrot.
Can you be original all the time, no, and we all have stuff we imitate, but at least give it a shot.[/quote:a18bd29b8c]
El-Saltman - I realize you are heavily into music and copying that is a protected idea that you can sue on. Are you claiming that your idea for forming a team is similar to writing music? I find that claim not protected intellectual property not reasonable.
People retell my jokes all the time without giving me credit believe you me, because at my job I am telling jokes all the time and people tell me about funny things they hear at meetings that I created. It does not bother me in the least, helps me determine what people really find humorous. And the idea that jokes are in a protected category of needing attribution laughable on it's own. (an unintentionally funny line I think, who gives attribution when telling a joke, other than there was this joke I heard?)
If you stole my idea for a book and I can prove it in court I can sue you if I can show definitively that I created the idea and you heard the details of it and you would owe me all the profits of the book upon a loss in court. While not illegal as you state it is protected intelectual property.
Are you stating you have created intellectual property on this site? If that is the case is DON FESQ drafting Josh Gibbons first also an intellectual property in a 200 million dollar league because he first recognizes it's value or is that one case ok to steal because it is limited intellectual property. Once you start down the protected route I see no good limits that is why I am not concerned at all.
The whole purpose of Diamond dope is to steal the combined ideas of the community and identify the best ideas, is that stealing others ideas? I cannot see how that is so. Can I block Adrian from using my singular intellectual property? Actual I would hope maybe some of the better players could get their teams blocked so the better values would be even more apparent.
What if I am researching teams on Diamond Dope and see a rare park in a 80 million dollar league and I click on it in Diamond Dope and the team won 70% of its game and there it is a complete list of 1 team and the win percent and all the players used. Is it therefore wrong to use those 24 players? What if there were 6 teams (unknown to me but from the same player with only 6 or 7 different players? Is it then an illegal theft of an idea if I take 24 players that also happen to be on one team, or is it ok if I only take the 12-15 main players. The more rare a park is, the more likely this is to happen using Diamond Dope as a research tool. I sort parks down by win percent and Voila! there is a team for me to play that has shown it could win with a limited amount of effort on my part. Not what I like to do but I can see that happening.
All of these possibilities lead me to the conclusion it is not worth the pain of worrying what other players are going to copy, I will concentrate on what the other 23 or 11 managers are doing in my league now and what I can do to improve my team.
How about if I retold a joke you made up and said I came up with it?
What if you told me the premise of a book you were gonna work on and I thought it was so great that I wrote a story using your idea?
NONE of these are illegal, does that mean you dont mind?
Second to answer how I know if Im the only one who used that combo:
The answer is 99.9 % sure that I am, why?
Because a fairly limited number of people have used that same stadium at that Cap Level in ATG 6.
Third:
TBH- if it was a newer player that had done it- Id be more likely to just say okay, hes trying to figure it out- everyone has to imitate somewhat before they are original- myself included.
SEE in music we have this same idea.
At some point you gotta be yourself or you are just repeating/recreating stuff...thats not an artist, thats a parrot.
Can you be original all the time, no, and we all have stuff we imitate, but at least give it a shot.[/quote:a18bd29b8c]
El-Saltman - I realize you are heavily into music and copying that is a protected idea that you can sue on. Are you claiming that your idea for forming a team is similar to writing music? I find that claim not protected intellectual property not reasonable.
People retell my jokes all the time without giving me credit believe you me, because at my job I am telling jokes all the time and people tell me about funny things they hear at meetings that I created. It does not bother me in the least, helps me determine what people really find humorous. And the idea that jokes are in a protected category of needing attribution laughable on it's own. (an unintentionally funny line I think, who gives attribution when telling a joke, other than there was this joke I heard?)
If you stole my idea for a book and I can prove it in court I can sue you if I can show definitively that I created the idea and you heard the details of it and you would owe me all the profits of the book upon a loss in court. While not illegal as you state it is protected intelectual property.
Are you stating you have created intellectual property on this site? If that is the case is DON FESQ drafting Josh Gibbons first also an intellectual property in a 200 million dollar league because he first recognizes it's value or is that one case ok to steal because it is limited intellectual property. Once you start down the protected route I see no good limits that is why I am not concerned at all.
The whole purpose of Diamond dope is to steal the combined ideas of the community and identify the best ideas, is that stealing others ideas? I cannot see how that is so. Can I block Adrian from using my singular intellectual property? Actual I would hope maybe some of the better players could get their teams blocked so the better values would be even more apparent.
What if I am researching teams on Diamond Dope and see a rare park in a 80 million dollar league and I click on it in Diamond Dope and the team won 70% of its game and there it is a complete list of 1 team and the win percent and all the players used. Is it therefore wrong to use those 24 players? What if there were 6 teams (unknown to me but from the same player with only 6 or 7 different players? Is it then an illegal theft of an idea if I take 24 players that also happen to be on one team, or is it ok if I only take the 12-15 main players. The more rare a park is, the more likely this is to happen using Diamond Dope as a research tool. I sort parks down by win percent and Voila! there is a team for me to play that has shown it could win with a limited amount of effort on my part. Not what I like to do but I can see that happening.
All of these possibilities lead me to the conclusion it is not worth the pain of worrying what other players are going to copy, I will concentrate on what the other 23 or 11 managers are doing in my league now and what I can do to improve my team.
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by gkhd11a » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:50 pm
Also on music there is an entire genre of musicians where the musicians do not create anything on there own and people crowd in to hear the best, at bars pubs or festivals, they are called "cover bands" there was a Beatles cover band that came to Chicago and sold out 7 days in a row at $75 a seat and I don't believe they did anything original.
I think Jim Hendrix did ok with Bob Dylan's "all along the watchtower" and no one thought, o man he can't create anything on his own, matter of fact at the time few knew it was a Bob Dylan song. The Byrds routinely used Dylan's songs and most people never realized Bob Dylan wrote them, which is why Dylan teased Roger Mcguin in "you ain't going nowhere".
American Idol is based on playing other peoples songs to give a millions dollar winner and I see noone claiming this is wrong, instead they are looking for who does it best.
If these are all done I find it hard to believe 24 players on a team copied is worth any enforcement or public ridicule.
I think Jim Hendrix did ok with Bob Dylan's "all along the watchtower" and no one thought, o man he can't create anything on his own, matter of fact at the time few knew it was a Bob Dylan song. The Byrds routinely used Dylan's songs and most people never realized Bob Dylan wrote them, which is why Dylan teased Roger Mcguin in "you ain't going nowhere".
American Idol is based on playing other peoples songs to give a millions dollar winner and I see noone claiming this is wrong, instead they are looking for who does it best.
If these are all done I find it hard to believe 24 players on a team copied is worth any enforcement or public ridicule.
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by Salty » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:05 pm
Charlie (if its okay for me to call you that),
I think your misunderstanding me- I specifically did not use a music example for the first part:
My music reference was trying to illustrate a point about what I believe people should be trying to do- hence I differentiated between being an artist and a parrot- not a thief and an artist; and also I think in your references, to me those people, did something new with the interpretation of those tunes.
As far as jokes go, there's a big diffenrence between you wanna hear something funny, and I made this joke up- at least to me.
...and my story reference was purposely just a premise for something someone intended to work on, not a completed manuscript.
SO most assuredly am not claiming any intellectual rights-
must find my intellect first :wink:
I think your misunderstanding me- I specifically did not use a music example for the first part:
My music reference was trying to illustrate a point about what I believe people should be trying to do- hence I differentiated between being an artist and a parrot- not a thief and an artist; and also I think in your references, to me those people, did something new with the interpretation of those tunes.
As far as jokes go, there's a big diffenrence between you wanna hear something funny, and I made this joke up- at least to me.
...and my story reference was purposely just a premise for something someone intended to work on, not a completed manuscript.
SO most assuredly am not claiming any intellectual rights-
must find my intellect first :wink:
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by gkhd11a » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:23 pm
You can call me Charlie any time and I think I am misunderstanding you. I agree with you if your point is to aspire to be in strat more like Dylan over the Byrds - to paraphrase (and of course a Parrot is a Byrd, in case my joke was too subtle to get)
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