NLD Twenty-Nine!

[Detroit-Tigers]

[quote:0fbb8a5b32="joethejet"]we really suck this bad?
Jet[/quote:0fbb8a5b32]

Latter :P

[Stoney18]

[quote:46cb266130]Take a gander, Padawan! Razz[/quote:46cb266130]

So lessons from $100M leagues apply to $80M? :D

Just glad my boys are starting to hit.

[Detroit-Tigers]

[quote:6c910d16f2="Detroit-Tigers"][quote:6c910d16f2="joethejet"]we really suck this bad?
Jet[/quote:6c910d16f2]

Latter :P[/quote:6c910d16f2]

Actually I think you have a 500 team, especially with Uggla :) :)

[qksilver69]

Hey Joe,

Here's my take:

Pitching - not a fan of Verlander as top SP in that park, not a great value for 80M leagues. Same for Wilson - why give up so much WHIP in a pitcher park? Deal him to DT! :P I think we talked abt O'Flaherty before in that respect - would prefer more low WHIP/2-3 BP HR per side guys. Also, why Tejeda? HAL will overuse a cheap, balanced R2 in that pen - prefer all my cheap guys to be 1-sided R1s so HAL knows what the f*ck to do with them, LOL.

Hitting - you have 3 cards I like: Tulo, Langerhans, Bonifacio, maybe 4 if you count Zaun, I was going to take him as my main backup to Santana. All the rest are not great value IMHO. In a pitcher park I want 2-3 elite OB guys vs. each side. Langerhans ok as leadoff but other than that, don't see enough OB/speed guys. I don't see your hitting improving outside of Werth a bit, so that's not a good sign.

So mostly, I think it's a .500 team or just under unless you can find a hitter park team to do some deals with....

So you've got a bit of room to get better/less unlucky, but you've got plenty of guys meeting or exceeding what I'd predict for their cards as well.

[joethejet]

Sliver, Very Interesting. Thanks. :)

I'm not sure that AT&T is a pithcer's park. 10/10 5/10 is actually a little above average except for the LH power of which I only have Alvarez. What am I missing here? Where do you draw the line on hitter versus pitcher versus average parks. I know you love LH power, so you would never take AT&T, but given that my LH hitters are singles guys does that change anything?


I like Tejeda as my mop up guy because I think he'll keep you in games. He doesn't pitch much except for those situations. In fact, there is only one in his last 10 that wasn't mop up.

Hmm, my ratings have Verlander at a very good price point.

O'Flaherty was the guy I got stuck with. I also figured I'd have another LH park in my division, but got Yankee instead. Given where I took him, who would you have recommended instead?

I don't understand what you mean about Wilson.

You guys don't like Uggla, but don't you think he's a good player versus LHP? I'm facing a lot of them. That's why I took him plus he has 600 PA.

What don't you like about Huff?

Hunter I got kind of stuck with in CF, but I thought he's a decent fit for the park, although not the LHPs so much.

My take is that my pitching shouldn't look like this:
Verlander 6.06 1.47 whip
Myers 4.64 1.34 (well maybe)
Wilson 3.77 1.46
Madson 4.24
O'flherty 5.25
Tejeda 5.02


Hitting wise, outside of Alvarez and Werth (who's hit like a .50 guy) with an .085 BA v LHP has been within the realm of normal. I don't, however, think this is the worst offensive team in the league by any stretch.

You're right about my speed, but Huff, Werth, Hunter, Uggla, and Zaun all of OB like Langerhans. Or, are you looking for something else? The bottom of the lineup, Fontenot and Alvarez don't have much it's true. V LHP OB is a little more hit and miss but the average is better and the slugging (but not HRs) about the same.


I guess time will tell. Also my catchers are on pace for 35 errors between them! :shock:

In any case, I'd be willing to move Werth, Hunter, Alvarez, maybe a few other guys depending on the deal if anyone is interested in those guys. Not a fire sale, but open to fair deals.

Jet
p.s. DT, somehow my team managed to take 2 of 3 in your park. We can't be *that* bad. ;)

[qksilver69]

Wilson - his WHIP is very high for an elite closer or setup guy. I want to see someone in the 1.00-1.10 WHIP range in a pitcher park. He's better suited to a hitter park because his card has no BP HR on it, and you're paying for that.

Verlander is the SP equivalent of Wilson. Overall good card, but in that park I'd rather have a guy with 2-3 BP HR to LH and maybe 1 to RH for both of my highest-priced guys. I liked Wainwright as the mirror image of the guy you want - his 3 BP HR vs RH in Safeco are going to die most of the time. Verlander has underperformed for me in all my keeper leagues, so I tend to think his card is not the best value at $6M, I consistently get similar performance from lesser * SPs. Will be curious to see how Myers ends up compared to Verlander, because I think his card is a decent value.

Uggla also a guy who has underperformed for me, esp. vs RH. So yeah he'll hit LHs ok but still Ks a ton.

So in your pitching, in that div I think WHIPs in the 1.30-1.35 range is where Wilson & Verlander end up, so you could improve a bit but I doubt it will be a ton. They're RHPs who are good but not great vs LHs and all the LH hitting talent is on rosters.

[joethejet]

Yeah, that's probably why Hanson has pitched well so far (but not tonight)

I'm still curious why you call AT&T a pitchers park. It's no worse than an average park don't you think?

The "average" park is
si/HR
LH 8.5 9.3
RH 8.0 8.8

Yeah, I got more balanced guys. Perhaps it would have been smarter to go with backward guys. I like wilson's 2/6 but perhaps Adams, O'Day or Lyon would have been better than Madson.

Wainwright is almost a buck more than Verlander and I have a 1-10 HR for RHBs so I didn't think he was a good choice for either reason. I don't think he's *that* much better v LHB either. Better, yes, but not extremely so.

Interestingly enough, it's been RHB's that have hit me harder than the LHB's for Verlander, Myers and Wilson.

Course, now we've lost Tulo for 15 so I don't think we're going to get better soon despite winning 3 of the last 4 series. Know he's going to get hurt, but hoping to avoid the 15 gamers. Ouch. Isn't that like a 5% chance?

Oh well. Come on Valdez!

Jet
p.s. lost Zaun for 8 too. Ugh.

[Detroit-Tigers]

The reason you took 2/3 from me is you have a better hitting park team (hitters parks are >10 BPHRs, pitchers, <10). :P

Uggla is fine- I just always see better options at DH.

[qksilver69]

Ok to clarify, I weigh BP HR much more than BP 1B, and 10/5 is a pitcher park, especially because RH vs RH matchups will generally have fewer BP HR opps anyway: RHPs tend to allow fewer BP HR to RHBs and RHBs tend to hit fewer BP HR vs RHPs.

So I'd weigh the LH HR # higher to start with, and then add the fact that your RH SPs are seeing LHBs at a better than 2/1 clip. Verlander 16/7 ratio, Myers & Hanson 13/7 ratio - so very clearly when you start a RH SP, your park's sum BP HR number vs. both sides is probably a 6-6.5 or so.

[joethejet]

[quote:c383697e81="Detroit-Tigers"]The reason you took 2/3 from me is you have a better hitting park team (hitters parks are >10 BPHRs, pitchers, <10). :P

Uggla is fine- I just always see better options at DH.[/quote:c383697e81]

So, what if it's *exactly* 10????? ;)

Well, I don't think it's a good hitter's park team. Not enough BPHRs. Uggla and Alvarez the only guys with 8 bphrs v RHP and Uggla the only one v LHP. You have 2 8's and 2 7's and no one that is W. But, you're not really that much of a HR team v RHP I guess. LH you're starting 2 guys who are weak but you do have 4 8's.

As for Uggla, who would you have suggested for < $5 mil that hits LHP well, but doesn't have to be platooned? I also like the fact that he has 600 PA. I'm really curious because maybe I'm missing something.

Jet