20th Century Tournament
The Franchises:
Season #1--03 Red Sox, 06 Cubs, 08 White Sox, 04 Reds, o6 Indians, 09 Tigers, 05 A's, 05 Giants, 09 Pirates, 01 Browns, 07 Phillies, 00 Cardinals
Season #2--15 Red Sox, 14 Braves, 19 Reds, 15 Tigers, 11 A's,
15 Phillies, 12 Pirates, 19 Browns, 11 Giants, 17 Cardinals, 13 Senators,
16 Dodgers
Season #3--29 Cubs, 24 Dodgers, 21 Giants, 27 Yankees, 29 A's,
27 Pirates, 22 Browns, 26 Cardinals, 24 Senators, 20 Indians, 24 Tigers,
19 White Sox
Season #4--39 Red Sox, 32 Yankees, 39 Yankees, 32 Cubs, 34 Indians, 33 Giants, 32 Phillies, 37 Pirates, 30 Browns, 34 Cardinals, 33 Senators,
34 Tigers
Season #5--46 Red Sox, 48 Braves, 40 Reds, 48 Indians, 40 Tigers,
49 Yankees, 46 Cardinals, 49 Dodgers, 42 Giants, 40 White Sox, 42 Browns,
41 Cubs
Season #6--50 Phillies, 50 Yankees, 56 Yankees, 57 Braves, 54 Indians, 59 Cubs, 59 White Sox, 56 Reds, 57 Cardinals, 57 Red Sox, 55 Dodgers,
51 Giants
Season #7--61 Yankees, 62 Giants, 65 Twins, 66 Orioles, 60 Pirates,
64 Phillies, 64 Cardinals, 68 Tigers, 69 Mets, 65 Dodgers, 67 Red Sox, 69 Cubs
Season #8--79 Angels, 75 Reds, 77 Dodgers, 78 Yankees, 74 A's, 77 Phillies, 79 Cardinals, 70 Orioles, 77 Royals, 80 Expos, 79 Pirates, 78 Red Sox
Season #9--86 Red Sox, 84 Tigers, 86 Astros, 82 Brewers, 86 Mets,
82 Braves, 80 Phillies, 84-89 Cubs, 84 Padres, 86 Yankees, 85 Blue Jays,
83 Orioles
Season #10--87 Twins, 90 A's, 87 Cardinals, 95 Braves, 93 White Sox, 90 Reds, 95 Indians, 98 Yankees, 95 Mariners, 92 Blue Jays, 93 Giants,
04 or some iteration of Red Sox
Season #11---Take the 10 Seasons Finals runnerups plus two Wild Cards (chosen by best Pythagorean Records)........Manager Winning Pctg will be calculated after the first 10 Seasons. For THIS round, the team draft will be from lowest Manager Win PCtg to Highest. (THis will give managers who had worse records a chance at the best teams)
Season #12--Take the 10 Seasons Finals winners plus the 2 Finals Participants from Season #11.....THIS draft will be in order of HIGHEST Manager Win Pctg to Lowest. (This will reward the managers who performed the best with what they had, and keep guys from tanking to get better draft picks seasons 2-10.
20th Century Tournament
20th Century Tournament
by andycummings65 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:04 pm
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by andycummings65 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:08 pm
[b:865714b1bf]Creating the Franchises..............[/b:865714b1bf]
As you can guess, probably half of the teams are not complete; some early century teams dont have enough RP-only guys, some other teams are just not complete because TSN Strat doesnt have all the cards. MAny times, I have placed cheap bench players and RPs, etc to fill out squads.
Also, some guys are integral figures on more than one team. Sometimes this is fixed by placing franchises in the wrong decade: Eddie Collins was integral to the 11 A's and the 19 White Sox, so the White Sox were "moved" to the 1920s season. This occurs more often as we move in to the Free Agent era.
Sometimes I fixed this by either using a fringe player and upgrading to his better card: Rudy York is integral to 46 Red Sox and 40 Tigers, while Earl Averill was a .50 bench player for the Tigers. I upgraded Averill to his 7m card that plays CF and gave York to the Red Sox.
Sometimes I fixed this by using a player who could replicate the missing player: The 29 Cubs had Hornsby and Kiki Cuyler, who were also integral to the Cards and Pirates, respectively. I gave Hornsby to the Cards and Kiki to the Pirates, and I gave the Cubs, Willard Brown and John Beckwith)
[b:865714b1bf]If any team makes the Finals or SemiFinals they will use the original players if possible [/b:865714b1bf](the Cubs in that event would get Kiki and Rogers back)
[b:865714b1bf]THE FRANCHISES ARE NOT EQUAL[/b:865714b1bf]! Some franchises will be very strong, while others will not be as strong.
This is how we will somewhat, but not completely, rectify this.
1-Adding [b:865714b1bf]some [/b:865714b1bf]players in strategic ways to teams
2-Season#1's team draft order will be randomized. Season 2-10's draft orders will be in opposite order of finish of the previous league.
[b:865714b1bf]DIFFERENT CARDS FOR THE SAME PLAYER.[/b:865714b1bf] In MOST instances, you will have the choice of ANY card that represents a player. Sometimes, you will be allowed only 1 card to represent a player, whether it be for competitive balance, historical accuracy, or some other reason that I have come up with :D
[b:865714b1bf]BALLPARKS[/b:865714b1bf]: I have not completed this, but as I see it now, there will only be one ballpark choice for the team in question. Sometimes the ballpark enhances the talent you may have, sometimes it will not. That's life, and that's baseball
[b:865714b1bf]What if new cards are added?[/b:865714b1bf] More cards can only help a league like this, but I will make sure that each added card "works" with what we are trying to do. This will be done on a card-by-card basis.
[b:865714b1bf]Type of League[/b:865714b1bf]: Currently, it appears that the salary cap will be [b:865714b1bf]100m[/b:865714b1bf] though this is not set in stone yet, and we WILL use [b:865714b1bf]DH[/b:865714b1bf]. The "payrolls" will be different for different teams......again that's the way it is...some teams are just BETTER than others
As you can guess, probably half of the teams are not complete; some early century teams dont have enough RP-only guys, some other teams are just not complete because TSN Strat doesnt have all the cards. MAny times, I have placed cheap bench players and RPs, etc to fill out squads.
Also, some guys are integral figures on more than one team. Sometimes this is fixed by placing franchises in the wrong decade: Eddie Collins was integral to the 11 A's and the 19 White Sox, so the White Sox were "moved" to the 1920s season. This occurs more often as we move in to the Free Agent era.
Sometimes I fixed this by either using a fringe player and upgrading to his better card: Rudy York is integral to 46 Red Sox and 40 Tigers, while Earl Averill was a .50 bench player for the Tigers. I upgraded Averill to his 7m card that plays CF and gave York to the Red Sox.
Sometimes I fixed this by using a player who could replicate the missing player: The 29 Cubs had Hornsby and Kiki Cuyler, who were also integral to the Cards and Pirates, respectively. I gave Hornsby to the Cards and Kiki to the Pirates, and I gave the Cubs, Willard Brown and John Beckwith)
[b:865714b1bf]If any team makes the Finals or SemiFinals they will use the original players if possible [/b:865714b1bf](the Cubs in that event would get Kiki and Rogers back)
[b:865714b1bf]THE FRANCHISES ARE NOT EQUAL[/b:865714b1bf]! Some franchises will be very strong, while others will not be as strong.
This is how we will somewhat, but not completely, rectify this.
1-Adding [b:865714b1bf]some [/b:865714b1bf]players in strategic ways to teams
2-Season#1's team draft order will be randomized. Season 2-10's draft orders will be in opposite order of finish of the previous league.
[b:865714b1bf]DIFFERENT CARDS FOR THE SAME PLAYER.[/b:865714b1bf] In MOST instances, you will have the choice of ANY card that represents a player. Sometimes, you will be allowed only 1 card to represent a player, whether it be for competitive balance, historical accuracy, or some other reason that I have come up with :D
[b:865714b1bf]BALLPARKS[/b:865714b1bf]: I have not completed this, but as I see it now, there will only be one ballpark choice for the team in question. Sometimes the ballpark enhances the talent you may have, sometimes it will not. That's life, and that's baseball
[b:865714b1bf]What if new cards are added?[/b:865714b1bf] More cards can only help a league like this, but I will make sure that each added card "works" with what we are trying to do. This will be done on a card-by-card basis.
[b:865714b1bf]Type of League[/b:865714b1bf]: Currently, it appears that the salary cap will be [b:865714b1bf]100m[/b:865714b1bf] though this is not set in stone yet, and we WILL use [b:865714b1bf]DH[/b:865714b1bf]. The "payrolls" will be different for different teams......again that's the way it is...some teams are just BETTER than others
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by andycummings65 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:39 pm
some added players are marked asterisk
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=red:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1903 Boston Red Sox[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/4uk43qqjb0h1hmtfwdu5j24h6-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Here are the first World Series Winners in all their glory
They will play in Huntington Avenue Grounds
C-Bill Carrigan, Lou Criger
1b-Jake Stahl, Candy LaChance, Bob Unglaub
2b-Hobe Ferris
ss-Freddy Parent
3b-Jimmy Collins
LF-Buck Freeman, PAtsy Dougherty
CF-Jelly Gardner*
RF-Red PArnell*
IF-Heinie Wagner, Steve Yerkes
SPs--CY Young, Eddie Cicotte, Bill Dinneen, Long Tom Hughes, Norwood Gibson, George Winter
RPs-Ralph Glaze, Tex Pruiett, Rudy Arias*, Bill Fleming*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=blue:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1906 Chicago Cubs[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/q9gvs07u72gc9xr3395u6jh68-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Cubs will play in Westside Park11
C-Johnny Kling, Pat Moran
1b-Frank Chance
2b-Johnny Evers (ONLY USE HIS 1906 2.71 card)
SS-Joe Tinker
3b-HArry Steinfeldt
LF-Jimmy Sheckard
CF-Jimmy Slagle
RF-Frank Schulte
DH/UT-Solly Hoffman
OF/1b-Doc GEssler
3b/c- Doc Casey
IF-FRed Raymer
2b/3b-Bobby Lowe
SPs--3-Finger Brown, Jack Taylor, Jack Pfiester, ED Reulbach, CArl Lundgren, Orval Overall, Jake Weimer
RPs-King Cole*, Bill Trotter*, Jerry Augustine*, Mike Barlow*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1908 Chicago White Sox[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/oxvkprv7v4inf5dgqdebp0yse-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Comiskey11
C-Billy Sullivan Sr., Byrd Lynn
1b-John Anderson
2b-Bonnie Serrell*, Frank Isbell
ss-George Davis
3b-Judy Johnson*, Lee Tannehill
LF-Dummy Hoy
Cf-Ducky Holmes
RF-Danny Green
OF-Fielder Jones
2b-Lena Blackburne
IF-Chuck Ward
OF-Showboat Fisher
of/1b-Amos Strunk
SPS-Ed Walsh, Doc White, Roy Patterson, Clark Griffith, Jim Unmbricht*
RPs-Socks Seibold*, Ace Adams*, Bruce Cunningham*, Milo Candini*,
Bob L. Miller*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=red:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1904 Cincinnati Reds[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/2919-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Palace of the Fans11
C-Gabby Street, Fritz Buelow
1b-JAke Beckley
2b-MIller Huggins
ss-Tommy Corcoran, Harry Lunte*
3b-Joe Kelley
LF-Jimmy Ryan
CF-Cy Seymour
RF-HArry Lumley
DH/1b-Buck Ewing
DH/2b-Bid McPhee
IF-Ivy Olson
OF-Adam Comorosky*
SPS-JAck Harper, Noodles Hahn, Bob Ewing, Irv Young, Jesse Tannehill, Joe Deberry
RPS-Bill Sherdel*, Fritz OStermueller*, Rube Geyer*, Dave Danforth (his .90 1911 card ONLY), BErt Humphries*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=darkblue:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1906 Cleveland INdians[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/wnyd2zhh84f50ux4uxyqbktbh-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
LEague Park11
C-Harry BEmis, Nig Clarke
1b-Charlie Hickman
2b-Nap Lajoie
SS-Terry Turner
3b-Bill Bradley
LF-Harry Bay
CF-Joe Birmingham
RF-Elmer Flick
DH/of-Bunk Congalton
OF-Ben CAffyn
OF/ss-Bill Hinchman
OF-Jim Jackson
IF-George Stovall
SPS-Otto Hess, Addie Joss, Bob Rhoads, Bill Bernhard, Happy Townsend, Earl Moore
RPs-Harry Eells, Dick Coffman*, Frank Shellenback*, Brian Fisher*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=darkblue:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1909 Detroit Tigers[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/txtu234jlffk0q5l62uhnwm3q-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Bennett PArk11
C-Oscar Stanage, Boss Schmidt
1b-Claude Rossman
2b-Jim Delahanty, Germany Schaefer
SS-Donie Bush
3b-George Moriarty
LF-MAtty McINtyre
CF-Ty Cobb
RF-Sam Crawford
DH/OF-DAvy Jones
IF-Charlie O'Leary
1b-Tom Jones
3b-Bill Coughlin
SPS-George Mullin, Ed Willett, Ed Summers, Ed Killian, Kid Speer, Ed Siever
RPS-George Suggs (USE ONLY 3.97 1909 card), Ralph Works, Ralph Botting*, Clint Brown*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=red:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1903 Boston Red Sox[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/4uk43qqjb0h1hmtfwdu5j24h6-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Here are the first World Series Winners in all their glory
They will play in Huntington Avenue Grounds
C-Bill Carrigan, Lou Criger
1b-Jake Stahl, Candy LaChance, Bob Unglaub
2b-Hobe Ferris
ss-Freddy Parent
3b-Jimmy Collins
LF-Buck Freeman, PAtsy Dougherty
CF-Jelly Gardner*
RF-Red PArnell*
IF-Heinie Wagner, Steve Yerkes
SPs--CY Young, Eddie Cicotte, Bill Dinneen, Long Tom Hughes, Norwood Gibson, George Winter
RPs-Ralph Glaze, Tex Pruiett, Rudy Arias*, Bill Fleming*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=blue:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1906 Chicago Cubs[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/q9gvs07u72gc9xr3395u6jh68-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Cubs will play in Westside Park11
C-Johnny Kling, Pat Moran
1b-Frank Chance
2b-Johnny Evers (ONLY USE HIS 1906 2.71 card)
SS-Joe Tinker
3b-HArry Steinfeldt
LF-Jimmy Sheckard
CF-Jimmy Slagle
RF-Frank Schulte
DH/UT-Solly Hoffman
OF/1b-Doc GEssler
3b/c- Doc Casey
IF-FRed Raymer
2b/3b-Bobby Lowe
SPs--3-Finger Brown, Jack Taylor, Jack Pfiester, ED Reulbach, CArl Lundgren, Orval Overall, Jake Weimer
RPs-King Cole*, Bill Trotter*, Jerry Augustine*, Mike Barlow*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1908 Chicago White Sox[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/oxvkprv7v4inf5dgqdebp0yse-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Comiskey11
C-Billy Sullivan Sr., Byrd Lynn
1b-John Anderson
2b-Bonnie Serrell*, Frank Isbell
ss-George Davis
3b-Judy Johnson*, Lee Tannehill
LF-Dummy Hoy
Cf-Ducky Holmes
RF-Danny Green
OF-Fielder Jones
2b-Lena Blackburne
IF-Chuck Ward
OF-Showboat Fisher
of/1b-Amos Strunk
SPS-Ed Walsh, Doc White, Roy Patterson, Clark Griffith, Jim Unmbricht*
RPs-Socks Seibold*, Ace Adams*, Bruce Cunningham*, Milo Candini*,
Bob L. Miller*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=red:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1904 Cincinnati Reds[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/2919-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Palace of the Fans11
C-Gabby Street, Fritz Buelow
1b-JAke Beckley
2b-MIller Huggins
ss-Tommy Corcoran, Harry Lunte*
3b-Joe Kelley
LF-Jimmy Ryan
CF-Cy Seymour
RF-HArry Lumley
DH/1b-Buck Ewing
DH/2b-Bid McPhee
IF-Ivy Olson
OF-Adam Comorosky*
SPS-JAck Harper, Noodles Hahn, Bob Ewing, Irv Young, Jesse Tannehill, Joe Deberry
RPS-Bill Sherdel*, Fritz OStermueller*, Rube Geyer*, Dave Danforth (his .90 1911 card ONLY), BErt Humphries*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=darkblue:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1906 Cleveland INdians[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/wnyd2zhh84f50ux4uxyqbktbh-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
LEague Park11
C-Harry BEmis, Nig Clarke
1b-Charlie Hickman
2b-Nap Lajoie
SS-Terry Turner
3b-Bill Bradley
LF-Harry Bay
CF-Joe Birmingham
RF-Elmer Flick
DH/of-Bunk Congalton
OF-Ben CAffyn
OF/ss-Bill Hinchman
OF-Jim Jackson
IF-George Stovall
SPS-Otto Hess, Addie Joss, Bob Rhoads, Bill Bernhard, Happy Townsend, Earl Moore
RPs-Harry Eells, Dick Coffman*, Frank Shellenback*, Brian Fisher*
[b:ca9dd9ae29][color=darkblue:ca9dd9ae29][size=18:ca9dd9ae29]1909 Detroit Tigers[/size:ca9dd9ae29][/color:ca9dd9ae29][/b:ca9dd9ae29][img:ca9dd9ae29]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/txtu234jlffk0q5l62uhnwm3q-1-1.gif[/img:ca9dd9ae29]
Bennett PArk11
C-Oscar Stanage, Boss Schmidt
1b-Claude Rossman
2b-Jim Delahanty, Germany Schaefer
SS-Donie Bush
3b-George Moriarty
LF-MAtty McINtyre
CF-Ty Cobb
RF-Sam Crawford
DH/OF-DAvy Jones
IF-Charlie O'Leary
1b-Tom Jones
3b-Bill Coughlin
SPS-George Mullin, Ed Willett, Ed Summers, Ed Killian, Kid Speer, Ed Siever
RPS-George Suggs (USE ONLY 3.97 1909 card), Ralph Works, Ralph Botting*, Clint Brown*
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by andycummings65 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:19 pm
[b:b7af1f97f4][color=green:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1905 Philadelphia Athletics[/size:b7af1f97f4][/color:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/vetgeqg92o7bdmgqav4kljjwb-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Shibe11
C-Ossee Schreckengost, Wilbert Robinson
1b-Harry Davis
2b-Claude Ritchey
ss-Kid Elberfeld, Joe Cassidy
3b-Lave Cross
lf-Bris Lord
CF-Bernardo Baro*
RF-Danny Murphy
DH/OF-Danny Hoffman
OF-Socks Seybold
OF-Topsy Hartsel
if/of-Bert Haas
cf-Ping Bodie
SPS-Eddie PLank, Chief BEnder, Rube Waddell, Chick Fraser, Elam VanGilder
RPs-Jimmy Dygert, Dutch Henry*, Art Decatur*, Bill Burwell*, Cal Koonce*
[b:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1903 New York Giants[/size:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/2296-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Polo Grounds11
C-Roger Bresnahan, Cy PErkins*
1b-Roger Connor
2b-LArry Doyle
ss-Bill Dahlen
3b-ARt DEvlin
LF-Jim O'Rourke
CF-George VAn Haltren
RF-Mike Donlin
DH/3b-John McGraw
2b-Heinie Smith
IF-John Ward
1b/of-Red Kress
OF-Buster Mills
ss/3b-Frank E. Thompson
SPs-Christy MAthewson, Joe McGinnity, Tim Keefe, Amos Rusie, Red Ames, Hooks Wiltse
RPs-Doc Crandall, Dummy Taylor, Frank Allen*, Jim Mooney*
[b:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1909 Pittsburgh Pirates[/size:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/7xkp9hnp9jq11e1zia4tdcqjh-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Forbes 09
C-George Gibson, Connie Mack
1b-Tim Jordan, Bill Abstein
2b-Dots Miller
SS-Honus Wagner
3b-Tommy LEach
LF-Fred Clarke
CF-Ginger BEaumont
RF-Chief Wilson
UT/DH-Ed Abbaticchio
3b-Jap BArbeau
3b-Bobby Byrne
cf-Ned Hanlon
SPs-Vic Willis, Howie Camnitz, NIck MAddox, Lefty LEifield, Sam Frock, Deacon Phillippe, Babe Adams
RPs-Chick Brandom, Sam Leever (ONLY USE 1.14 1909 card), Johnny Morrison*, Bob W. Clark*
[b:b7af1f97f4][color=red:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1900 St.Louis Cardinals[/size:b7af1f97f4][/color:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/wsulgavxp8d0szhyh8oh-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Robison Field11
C-Mike Grady, Ed Phelps
1b-Ed Konetchy
2b-John Hummel
ss-Bobby Wallace
3b-Dave Brain
LF-Jesse Burkett
CF-Homer Smoot
RF-Red Murray
DH-Frog Redus*
OF-Patsy Donovan
UT-Jack J. O'Brien
IF-HAck Simmons
SS-Bill Cissell
LF-JOe Delahanty
SPs-George Bell, Kid Nichols, Pud Galvin, Ted Breitenstein, Wild Bill Donovan
RPs-Pat Ragan*, CArl Scheib*, Hi Bell*, Bill McGee*, Steve Ridzik*
[b:b7af1f97f4][color=brown:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1901 St.Louis Browns[/size:b7af1f97f4][/color:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/brownsstl-2.jpg[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Sportsman's Park11
C-Joe Sugden, Branch Rickey
1b-Jiggs Donahue
2b-Ray Morgan
ss-George McBride
3b-Wid Conroy
LF-Hugh Duffy
CF-Billy Hamilton
RF-George Stone
DH/UT-Art Griggs
OF/DH-Roy Hartzell
OF-Fred BEck
UT-Barry McCormick
CF-JOhn Donaldson*(his Hitting card only)
SPs-Ned Garvin, Phil Cockrell*, BArney Pelty, Bill Hogg, Big Bill Foster*, JAck Powell
RPs-Jack Salveson*, Ed Klieman*, Alphonso Pulido*, Elmer Riddle*
[b:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4][color=red:b7af1f97f4]1907 Philadelphia Phillies[/color:b7af1f97f4][/size:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/phillies-2.jpg[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Baker Bowl11
C-Red Dooin, Malachi Kittridge
1b-Kitty Bransfield
2b-Otto Knabe
ss-MIckey Doolan
3b-Milt Stock, Eddie Grant
LF-Sherry MAgee
CF-Ed Delahanty
RF-Sam Thompson
DH/OF-Roy THomas
2b-Kid Gleason
IF-Claud Derrick
1b/of-Bud Weiser
SPs-Tully Sparks, Togie Pittinger, Dick Redding*, Hugh McQuillan, Red Donahue, Mickey Welch
RPs-BEn Tincup, Slim Sallee*(only use 1.03 1921 card),Thornton Lee*(only use .50 1934 card), Tom Sheehan*, Roberto Rodriguez*
Shibe11
C-Ossee Schreckengost, Wilbert Robinson
1b-Harry Davis
2b-Claude Ritchey
ss-Kid Elberfeld, Joe Cassidy
3b-Lave Cross
lf-Bris Lord
CF-Bernardo Baro*
RF-Danny Murphy
DH/OF-Danny Hoffman
OF-Socks Seybold
OF-Topsy Hartsel
if/of-Bert Haas
cf-Ping Bodie
SPS-Eddie PLank, Chief BEnder, Rube Waddell, Chick Fraser, Elam VanGilder
RPs-Jimmy Dygert, Dutch Henry*, Art Decatur*, Bill Burwell*, Cal Koonce*
[b:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1903 New York Giants[/size:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/2296-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Polo Grounds11
C-Roger Bresnahan, Cy PErkins*
1b-Roger Connor
2b-LArry Doyle
ss-Bill Dahlen
3b-ARt DEvlin
LF-Jim O'Rourke
CF-George VAn Haltren
RF-Mike Donlin
DH/3b-John McGraw
2b-Heinie Smith
IF-John Ward
1b/of-Red Kress
OF-Buster Mills
ss/3b-Frank E. Thompson
SPs-Christy MAthewson, Joe McGinnity, Tim Keefe, Amos Rusie, Red Ames, Hooks Wiltse
RPs-Doc Crandall, Dummy Taylor, Frank Allen*, Jim Mooney*
[b:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1909 Pittsburgh Pirates[/size:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/7xkp9hnp9jq11e1zia4tdcqjh-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Forbes 09
C-George Gibson, Connie Mack
1b-Tim Jordan, Bill Abstein
2b-Dots Miller
SS-Honus Wagner
3b-Tommy LEach
LF-Fred Clarke
CF-Ginger BEaumont
RF-Chief Wilson
UT/DH-Ed Abbaticchio
3b-Jap BArbeau
3b-Bobby Byrne
cf-Ned Hanlon
SPs-Vic Willis, Howie Camnitz, NIck MAddox, Lefty LEifield, Sam Frock, Deacon Phillippe, Babe Adams
RPs-Chick Brandom, Sam Leever (ONLY USE 1.14 1909 card), Johnny Morrison*, Bob W. Clark*
[b:b7af1f97f4][color=red:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1900 St.Louis Cardinals[/size:b7af1f97f4][/color:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/wsulgavxp8d0szhyh8oh-1-1.gif[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Robison Field11
C-Mike Grady, Ed Phelps
1b-Ed Konetchy
2b-John Hummel
ss-Bobby Wallace
3b-Dave Brain
LF-Jesse Burkett
CF-Homer Smoot
RF-Red Murray
DH-Frog Redus*
OF-Patsy Donovan
UT-Jack J. O'Brien
IF-HAck Simmons
SS-Bill Cissell
LF-JOe Delahanty
SPs-George Bell, Kid Nichols, Pud Galvin, Ted Breitenstein, Wild Bill Donovan
RPs-Pat Ragan*, CArl Scheib*, Hi Bell*, Bill McGee*, Steve Ridzik*
[b:b7af1f97f4][color=brown:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4]1901 St.Louis Browns[/size:b7af1f97f4][/color:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/brownsstl-2.jpg[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Sportsman's Park11
C-Joe Sugden, Branch Rickey
1b-Jiggs Donahue
2b-Ray Morgan
ss-George McBride
3b-Wid Conroy
LF-Hugh Duffy
CF-Billy Hamilton
RF-George Stone
DH/UT-Art Griggs
OF/DH-Roy Hartzell
OF-Fred BEck
UT-Barry McCormick
CF-JOhn Donaldson*(his Hitting card only)
SPs-Ned Garvin, Phil Cockrell*, BArney Pelty, Bill Hogg, Big Bill Foster*, JAck Powell
RPs-Jack Salveson*, Ed Klieman*, Alphonso Pulido*, Elmer Riddle*
[b:b7af1f97f4][size=18:b7af1f97f4][color=red:b7af1f97f4]1907 Philadelphia Phillies[/color:b7af1f97f4][/size:b7af1f97f4][/b:b7af1f97f4][img:b7af1f97f4]http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab13/andycummings/supersmall%20Logos/phillies-2.jpg[/img:b7af1f97f4]
Baker Bowl11
C-Red Dooin, Malachi Kittridge
1b-Kitty Bransfield
2b-Otto Knabe
ss-MIckey Doolan
3b-Milt Stock, Eddie Grant
LF-Sherry MAgee
CF-Ed Delahanty
RF-Sam Thompson
DH/OF-Roy THomas
2b-Kid Gleason
IF-Claud Derrick
1b/of-Bud Weiser
SPs-Tully Sparks, Togie Pittinger, Dick Redding*, Hugh McQuillan, Red Donahue, Mickey Welch
RPs-BEn Tincup, Slim Sallee*(only use 1.03 1921 card),Thornton Lee*(only use .50 1934 card), Tom Sheehan*, Roberto Rodriguez*
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by andycummings65 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:39 pm
Some guys have asked how this would look, so above I posted the rosters I have put together for the 1900s Season.
I will do similarly with other seasons, striving for a balance between historical accuracy and competitiveness.
Every team will have weaknesses:
The 1927 Yankees have to put Combs' noodle arm in CF and play Joe Dugan at 3b, and they have no great arms, for example
The 1939 Yankees will start Babe Dahlgren at 1b, all .91 of him
At this point in the research, I am strongly considering revising to a [b:f5912c3c8f]90m [/b:f5912c3c8f]cap. The cap will not be huge in creating compettive balance, because there are not a ton of choices for each team----in fact I woudl wager that half of the teams only have 24 cards available, so there will be no choices to make.....
I am not done by any means, but this will give an idea of how this will work.
I will do similarly with other seasons, striving for a balance between historical accuracy and competitiveness.
Every team will have weaknesses:
The 1927 Yankees have to put Combs' noodle arm in CF and play Joe Dugan at 3b, and they have no great arms, for example
The 1939 Yankees will start Babe Dahlgren at 1b, all .91 of him
At this point in the research, I am strongly considering revising to a [b:f5912c3c8f]90m [/b:f5912c3c8f]cap. The cap will not be huge in creating compettive balance, because there are not a ton of choices for each team----in fact I woudl wager that half of the teams only have 24 cards available, so there will be no choices to make.....
I am not done by any means, but this will give an idea of how this will work.
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by dharmabums » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:01 pm
It's looking pretty interesting, Andy. Looking forward to it. Thanks for the work on it. :D
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by thetallguy747 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:18 pm
Looking good so far. I'm thinking the 90M cap would work better for this theme.
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by andycummings65 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:21 pm
So far, affirmatives from Steve Ames, bontomn, 2cityfan, dharmabums, warrenbob, majicmg, modmark, thetallguy747, Zimharry, emart.......
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by FRANKMANSUETO » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:58 am
Count me in. Can't pass of this theme would be sacrilegious.
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by andycummings65 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:25 am
We have 12. [b:92241f600c]Let the questions begin[/b:92241f600c]. 8-)
I am not gonna go back and change every team by [b:92241f600c][size=18:92241f600c]ANY MEANS[/size:92241f600c][/b:92241f600c], but the door is [b:92241f600c]slightly [/b:92241f600c]ajar to suggestions. :)
Some have voiced concern over teams not being completely equal salary-wise. I understand that. I hope it will be alleviated to everyone's satisfaction.
[b:92241f600c]I WILL[/b:92241f600c]:
Make [b:92241f600c]EVERY [/b:92241f600c]effort to make sure teams are as equal as possible, [b:92241f600c]WITHOUT [/b:92241f600c]adulterating the year team theme
So, yes, you may get "stuck" with the 24 Dodgers (I actually think they will be pretty good) in the 1920s league, but [b:92241f600c]fear not[/b:92241f600c], for two reasons:
-they will be structured to be as [b:92241f600c]competitive [/b:92241f600c]as possible
-the manager with the worst record in 1920s league will get [b:92241f600c]FIRST PICK[/b:92241f600c] of the 1930s squads
ANOTHER POINT---[b:92241f600c]none [/b:92241f600c]of these teams will stink, and [b:92241f600c]ALL [/b:92241f600c]of these teams will have weaknesses somewhere
With that said, I am probably gonna dump the 1930 Phillies and look for a more competitive 1930s team to add. The 1930s Phillies, Chuck Klein, and the ENTIRE National League went nuts offensively in 1930, which is why I wanted to include them. However, one reason the NL went nuts in 1930 was they got to feast on [b:92241f600c]PHILLIES PITCHING[/b:92241f600c]. :D
I am not gonna go back and change every team by [b:92241f600c][size=18:92241f600c]ANY MEANS[/size:92241f600c][/b:92241f600c], but the door is [b:92241f600c]slightly [/b:92241f600c]ajar to suggestions. :)
Some have voiced concern over teams not being completely equal salary-wise. I understand that. I hope it will be alleviated to everyone's satisfaction.
[b:92241f600c]I WILL[/b:92241f600c]:
Make [b:92241f600c]EVERY [/b:92241f600c]effort to make sure teams are as equal as possible, [b:92241f600c]WITHOUT [/b:92241f600c]adulterating the year team theme
So, yes, you may get "stuck" with the 24 Dodgers (I actually think they will be pretty good) in the 1920s league, but [b:92241f600c]fear not[/b:92241f600c], for two reasons:
-they will be structured to be as [b:92241f600c]competitive [/b:92241f600c]as possible
-the manager with the worst record in 1920s league will get [b:92241f600c]FIRST PICK[/b:92241f600c] of the 1930s squads
ANOTHER POINT---[b:92241f600c]none [/b:92241f600c]of these teams will stink, and [b:92241f600c]ALL [/b:92241f600c]of these teams will have weaknesses somewhere
With that said, I am probably gonna dump the 1930 Phillies and look for a more competitive 1930s team to add. The 1930s Phillies, Chuck Klein, and the ENTIRE National League went nuts offensively in 1930, which is why I wanted to include them. However, one reason the NL went nuts in 1930 was they got to feast on [b:92241f600c]PHILLIES PITCHING[/b:92241f600c]. :D
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