Bagwell's 1994 Card - 15 Game Injury?
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Bagwell's 1994 Card - 15 Game Injury?
by JohnnyBlazers » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:37 pm
Why is this card susceptible to a 15 gamer? 1994 was the year of the strike-was he hurt that year for an extended period of time? He put up sick numbers that year
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by FRANKMANSUETO » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:04 pm
If I recall he was HBP prior to the strike and would have missed the rest of the season with a broken hand. Be thankful his injury is on 2-12 and not 3-11 or even 4-10.
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by The Last Druid » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:10 pm
They are all 15 game risks from that year. I don't much care for that either.
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by FRANKMANSUETO » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:20 pm
Bruce, Frank Thomas is bullet proof. He can't get injured.
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by rburgh » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:18 pm
All of the injury data is readily available. If you are surprised that a guy with under 600 (AB+BB) gets a 15 game injury, you need to adjust your thinking. It will happen to bags about once every six seasons.
As far as the "he only missed one game" argument goes, don't forget that if the site rules were adjusted to prevent that, those 1994 cards would be (a) more expensive, or (b) drafted sooner in live drafts.
I've posted this before, but I'll say it again.
We are playing a game, very loosely based on real major league baseball events. The rules of the game are easily available at the SOM wiki site, and the player ratings are readily available with a few minor exceptions (pitcher SB ratings, bunt for hit ratings, etc.).
We are outside the envelope of what the game is intended to do, which is to allow you to re-create the events of one particular baseball season. The game does a reasonably good job of that, although there is a lot more variation in the outcome of season replays than you might want to believe.
The game is NOT intended to be used the way we are using it in ATG 6. There is no rational way to estimate how Greg Maddux would perform if he had to face all-world lineups for 41 starts a year. There is no rational way to estimate how Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth at their peaks would perform if they faced a steady diet of Hall of Fame pitchers at their peaks.
We do have access to all of the data that goes into determining the results of a confrontation between pitcher X and hitter Y in ballpark Z. If you focus on that aspect of the game, you will do much better than if you freak out that Greg Maddux had a 4.20 ERA for you while Babe Ruth hit onl7y .295-.410-.695.
Odd things happen. If something odd happens that causes you to lose the game, that's like hitting the best tee shot of your life and having it come to rest in a divot in the middle of the fairway. Or being dealt pocket rockets in your poker game, and having the worst player in the game hang with you all the way and then catch trip deuces on the river. You can either accept it as one of the breaks of the game, or let it bother you.
It's much better for your mental health if you just accept it. But it's your choice.
As far as the "he only missed one game" argument goes, don't forget that if the site rules were adjusted to prevent that, those 1994 cards would be (a) more expensive, or (b) drafted sooner in live drafts.
I've posted this before, but I'll say it again.
We are playing a game, very loosely based on real major league baseball events. The rules of the game are easily available at the SOM wiki site, and the player ratings are readily available with a few minor exceptions (pitcher SB ratings, bunt for hit ratings, etc.).
We are outside the envelope of what the game is intended to do, which is to allow you to re-create the events of one particular baseball season. The game does a reasonably good job of that, although there is a lot more variation in the outcome of season replays than you might want to believe.
The game is NOT intended to be used the way we are using it in ATG 6. There is no rational way to estimate how Greg Maddux would perform if he had to face all-world lineups for 41 starts a year. There is no rational way to estimate how Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth at their peaks would perform if they faced a steady diet of Hall of Fame pitchers at their peaks.
We do have access to all of the data that goes into determining the results of a confrontation between pitcher X and hitter Y in ballpark Z. If you focus on that aspect of the game, you will do much better than if you freak out that Greg Maddux had a 4.20 ERA for you while Babe Ruth hit onl7y .295-.410-.695.
Odd things happen. If something odd happens that causes you to lose the game, that's like hitting the best tee shot of your life and having it come to rest in a divot in the middle of the fairway. Or being dealt pocket rockets in your poker game, and having the worst player in the game hang with you all the way and then catch trip deuces on the river. You can either accept it as one of the breaks of the game, or let it bother you.
It's much better for your mental health if you just accept it. But it's your choice.
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by JohnnyBlazers » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:42 pm
[quote:c976cd79b8="rburgh"]All of the injury data is readily available. If you are surprised that a guy with under 600 (AB+BB) gets a 15 game injury, you need to adjust your thinking. It will happen to bags about once every six seasons.[/quote:c976cd79b8]
Ive been playing long enough to know about the 600 PA rule as it applies to injuries, however, my question was specifically about the 1994 cards. it appears that all of 1994 players are injury risks then - as no one approached 600pa given that they played 100-115 games that season
Ive been playing long enough to know about the 600 PA rule as it applies to injuries, however, my question was specifically about the 1994 cards. it appears that all of 1994 players are injury risks then - as no one approached 600pa given that they played 100-115 games that season
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by PotKettleBlack » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:34 pm
[quote:12a2442d9c="johnnyblazers"][quote:12a2442d9c="rburgh"]All of the injury data is readily available. If you are surprised that a guy with under 600 (AB+BB) gets a 15 game injury, you need to adjust your thinking. It will happen to bags about once every six seasons.[/quote:12a2442d9c]
Ive been playing long enough to know about the 600 PA rule as it applies to injuries, however, my question was specifically about the 1994 cards. it appears that all of 1994 players are injury risks then - as no one approached 600pa given that they played 100-115 games that season[/quote:12a2442d9c]
You probably want the 154 game a season guys readjusted too. Harder to get 600 AB+BB (should not call this PA), when have 8 fewer games, much less 50.
Ive been playing long enough to know about the 600 PA rule as it applies to injuries, however, my question was specifically about the 1994 cards. it appears that all of 1994 players are injury risks then - as no one approached 600pa given that they played 100-115 games that season[/quote:12a2442d9c]
You probably want the 154 game a season guys readjusted too. Harder to get 600 AB+BB (should not call this PA), when have 8 fewer games, much less 50.
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