Official ATG new card poach requests

[ratioman2]

[quote:89cc001178="hackra"]also-
If they aren't already in the plans, you should consider adding the MVP and Cy Young winners from every year available. (This is All-Time Greats after all) 8-)[/quote:89cc001178]

I like this idea. How would you explain their omission to that player if he were to browse the set?

[supertyphoon]

I thought the original idea was to suggest player years that already had a card in either FantaSim, 70s / 80s / 90s mystery card games. I don't think Bernie can "poach" something that isn't there.

[Valen]

Might as well have Davey Lopes 1979 card.

But then again which one? The version from the 70 set would be the better base stealer and thus the preferred one for me.

The question that hits my mind though is why are the two cards so different? Why did strat supply one card for the 70s game and a totally different one for the 80s game? Different steal ratings, different fielding ratings, and overall makeup of card changed. The card from the 80s even has a third base rating while the card from the 70s set cannot play third. Either he played some third base that year or he didn't.

[Valen]

[quote:3837b1a7a1]This guy shouldn't be better than Babe Ruth. But his new card is.

Once Strat gets past their annual January rush, we need to get his proper card from Strat, not the flawed fantasim card. [/quote:3837b1a7a1]
I agree. The Arky card is a joke with no punchline.

[george barnard]

[quote:9992f49727]Might as well have Davey Lopes 1979 card.

But then again which one? The version from the 70 set would be the better base stealer and thus the preferred one for me.

The question that hits my mind though is why are the two cards so different? Why did strat supply one card for the 70s game and a totally different one for the 80s game? Different steal ratings, different fielding ratings, and overall makeup of card changed. The card from the 80s even has a third base rating while the card from the 70s set cannot play third. Either he played some third base that year or he didn't. [/quote:9992f49727]

From what I can see, Valen, the cards are the same, it's just the context of the two games (70s and 80s) that changes the "incidentals" (stealing ratings -- Lopes was a better stealer in the 70s than the 80s, positions played -- he played a few games at 3B with Oakland in the 80s, etc.). Bernie said that when a card came into the game, it would have the right info for that season. So that if the 79 Lopes card came to ATG it would be exclusively as a 2B as that was the only position he played that season. And he would probably be a 19-15 (or just slightly less) as he stole 44 bases and was only caught 4 times.

Shall I put you down for the 79 Lopes?

Bill

[The Last Druid]

[size=24:d8974c036c][b:d8974c036c]No 1979 LOPES.[/b:d8974c036c][color=cyan:d8974c036c][/color:d8974c036c][/size:d8974c036c]

[b:d8974c036c][size=24:d8974c036c]We want the '78 Lopes. [/size:d8974c036c][/b:d8974c036c] He was a 1 defensively that year. Much more valuable card than the '79 card. No contest.[color=brown:d8974c036c][/color:d8974c036c]

[supertyphoon]

Here is my list of most desirable at each position from "The 70's Game".

My priority here is expanding the pool of available players, not additional years of ones already there. All of these players don't have a card in ATG.

I've selected a year that's pretty typical for them, notable exception being Tom House.

C - Earl Williams, 1972.

1B - Mike Epstein, 1970.

1B - Mike Jorgensen, 1975.

1B - Mike Ivie, 1976.

2B - Art Howe, 1977.

3B - Ken McMullen, 1969.

SS - Roger Metzger, 1972.

OF - Bernie Carbo, 1973.

OF - Joel Youngblood. 1979.

OF - Ted Uehlander, 1968.

DH - Ron Blomberg, 1973.

SP - Don Wilson, 1971.

SP - Carl Morton, 1973.

SP - Craig Swan, 1979.

SP - Tom Bradley, 1972.

SP - George Stone, 1970.

RP - Danny Frisella, 1970.

RP - Bob Locker, 1969.

RP - Tom House, 1974.

[Valen]

[quote:e78ca0d48b]We want the '78 Lopes. He was a 1 defensively that year. [/quote:e78ca0d48b]
Hard to tell that looking at the 80s card version. Lists his defense at second as 3e18

But even as a 1 he is unlikely to get used much but he would not stand out Just another light hitting bottom dwelling infielder. Not much different or better than Lou Whitaker, Bobby Doerr, Dandridge Gordon, Evers, Fox, etc.

The Lopes cards I mentioned would be more unique and could be exceptional in platoons.

[The Last Druid]

Your Lopes card wouldn't get used. I think he might be a 3 again in 79. The '78 card was definitely a 1, I used to use it! And his speed + 17 hrs. decent walks make him different from all the guys you just mentioned. A top of the order guy at 80M.

[Valen]

Even as a 1 the 78 would have over a dozen second basemen. There are 61 second basemen rated a 1. Would a balanced Lopes really be used instead of Nap, Roger, Collins, Morgan, Gehringer, Alomar, Biggio, Sandberg, Cano, Robinson, Nellie, Evers, Gordon, Whitaker, Doerr, or Grich? The speed maybe makes him preferable over a couple of these but with all the -4 catchers in the set winning via SB is unlikely.

I would be more likely to use the 79 card in a platoon with Nellie, Evers, Whitaker as a fallback when not getting the stud second baseman I went for. I have used the 77 version like that many times but the 79 version would be even more potent in that role perhaps even viable in a 200 mil league.