[quote:e4214b1ba0="Jerlins"][quote:e4214b1ba0="derfs"]I know it can make one less sleepy. I would know as I took a medication form of speed in Cylert (Pemoline) and while it did help me focus on things like reading a book, it did nothing at all for my baseball swing. That's because it doesn't affect the muscles in any way...unlike steroids.[/quote:e4214b1ba0]
But it does increase your stamina, and a tired batter will probably swing the bat with less speed, a tired pitcher might throw 2 miles an hour slower, a tired baserunner might run slower. ..
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Omg, really? The body goes through ebbs and flows in energy and concentration. Something that helps your focus and quick-twitch reflexes can't help your pitch recognition and getting the bat to and through the contact zone? How about reacting to short hops in the infield? lol
Someone said Raines' nickname "Rock" came from the cocaine...how's that? Rock has always referred to crack. Either way, those recreational drugs for the rich and young (Hollywood? Oil industry? Wall Street?) weren't taken with the express purpose of producing more and signing a fatter contract/making it in the bigs.
All psuedo morals aside, the mere statement of 'second greatest leadoff hitter of all-time' should be enough to get Raines in. Larkin was atop his position and led championship teams in addition to the longevity. I was a fan of Trammell as well, but was he the second greatest anything?
2012 Hall of Fame class - who would YOU vote for?
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Re: But is speed performance enhancing?
by SteadyEddie33 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:34 pm
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by the splinter » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:33 pm
[quote:3b1bc878bb]He also had a very good arm. He could even run a little. [/quote:3b1bc878bb]
he made the 30-30 cool again
he made the 30-30 cool again
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by jmccully61 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:15 pm
Before I begin, I am one that believes that the numbers should be compared to other numbers during the era that they played in.
Barry Larkin - Can anyone make an arguement as to why he should not be?
Jack Morris - Reminds me a lot of Curt Schilling, other than his 175 complete games, which were always in the AL Top 5 during the 80's, his numbers are great, but not HOF. However, Morris excelled during the Post Season being the anchor behind 2 World Series Teams (yes, he won with the Blue Jays in 92, but did not pitch very well in either the ALCS or WS). To me this is a debate about constient, but not phenomal, regular season pitching over one of the most clutch Post Season Pitchers (excluding 92). I will make this arguement, if one believes Morris should be in the HOF, then you must belive Schilling belongs there as well.
Fred McGriff - How he is not in the HOF is beyond me, had he hit 7 more HR then he would be the only HOF with 500 HR not in the HOF (not including the steriod era players). He had 7 straight seasons of 30+ HR, during the era when ballparks were still huge. Not to mention, unlike most power hitters, his career avg was .285 with a .377 OBP. IMO, McGriff is the biggest snub thus far.
Tim Raines - Probably the 2nd greatest leadoff hitter of his era behind Henderson (IMO, was over shadowed throughout his career by him). A .294 avg, .385 OBP, and 808 SB (5th all time). Furthermore, 2605 hits, 1,571 Runs (51st all time), 1,330 walks. Isn't a leadoff hitters job to get on base and score runs? Finally, he was a 7 time AS, and recieved votes for the MVP every year in the 80's, except for one year (88, the year he was hurt).
Lee Smith - This is one of the hardest to judge because he was one of the first relief pitchers to close out a game pitching just the 9th, and basically developed the role of a 1 inning closer. At the time of his retirement held the record for most saves, 478. He is ranked 3rd all time in games finished with 802. Also, for those who want to use his losing record against him, well Bruce Sutter also has a losing record and is in the HOF.
Dale Murphy - What hurts Murphy is his lack of concensity. From 80 through the mid 80's he was one of the best outfielders in baseball, but around 88 his numbers just died off. He did win 2 MVP, and 5 Gold Gloves. However, what set Murphy apart from other OF's was his ability to play all three outfield positions. Most people think of him as a CF, but roughly half of his games were played in either RF or LF (not just towards the end of his career). Personally, I believe one of the hardest areas to judge him is his power. Most people know that CFs are not power hitters, but are the "SS and 2nd base of the OF (except for a few exceptions), yet he hit 398 HR. Now, how many of those came from when he was playing CF?
Jeff Bagwell - One of the greatest power hitters during the 90s. Before I begin, I doubt he was on steriods because his numbers were always consisent, unlike those of Brady Anderson, Palmerio, Sosa, etc (If one examines the latter's numbers, then you will notice a dramatic peak after years of mediorce). He won 1 Gold Glove, 1 MVP, and finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 6 times. He hit 30+ Hr 11 straight seasons, and the two seaons after the streak ended he hit 29 and 28. He had 100+ RBIs in 9 out of 10 seasons, including 116 in only 110 games. Furthermore, he was a career .297 hitter, a .408 OBP (40th all time), and a .540 SLG (36th all time). Finally, his OPS is ranked 22nd all time at .948 This still does not include his 1,529 RBIs (29th), 1,401 BB (22nd).
Of the ones listed above, I believe the following belong in the HOF:
Bagwell - He is one of the few players that is hurt because of the steriod era. His numbers speek for themselves.
McGriff - If he hit 7 more HRs, then he would be a no brainer, not to mention he played in an era were the ballparks were huge, thus making his numbers more impressive.
Raines - One of the best leadoff hitters in his era, and did his job, score runs while stealing over 800 bases.
Morris - For two reasons, his constiency of 13 straight seasons of 15 straight seasons of 15+ wins (not including the strike season of 81 when he still won 14 games). Finally, I place a lot of weight on Post Season performance, which he was the anchor of 84 Tigers and 91 Twins on their World Series Championships.
What is going to be interesting are the next few few years, the players that will be eligible for the HOF
2013: Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Piazza, Biggio, Schilling
2014: Maddox, Glavine
Barry Larkin - Can anyone make an arguement as to why he should not be?
Jack Morris - Reminds me a lot of Curt Schilling, other than his 175 complete games, which were always in the AL Top 5 during the 80's, his numbers are great, but not HOF. However, Morris excelled during the Post Season being the anchor behind 2 World Series Teams (yes, he won with the Blue Jays in 92, but did not pitch very well in either the ALCS or WS). To me this is a debate about constient, but not phenomal, regular season pitching over one of the most clutch Post Season Pitchers (excluding 92). I will make this arguement, if one believes Morris should be in the HOF, then you must belive Schilling belongs there as well.
Fred McGriff - How he is not in the HOF is beyond me, had he hit 7 more HR then he would be the only HOF with 500 HR not in the HOF (not including the steriod era players). He had 7 straight seasons of 30+ HR, during the era when ballparks were still huge. Not to mention, unlike most power hitters, his career avg was .285 with a .377 OBP. IMO, McGriff is the biggest snub thus far.
Tim Raines - Probably the 2nd greatest leadoff hitter of his era behind Henderson (IMO, was over shadowed throughout his career by him). A .294 avg, .385 OBP, and 808 SB (5th all time). Furthermore, 2605 hits, 1,571 Runs (51st all time), 1,330 walks. Isn't a leadoff hitters job to get on base and score runs? Finally, he was a 7 time AS, and recieved votes for the MVP every year in the 80's, except for one year (88, the year he was hurt).
Lee Smith - This is one of the hardest to judge because he was one of the first relief pitchers to close out a game pitching just the 9th, and basically developed the role of a 1 inning closer. At the time of his retirement held the record for most saves, 478. He is ranked 3rd all time in games finished with 802. Also, for those who want to use his losing record against him, well Bruce Sutter also has a losing record and is in the HOF.
Dale Murphy - What hurts Murphy is his lack of concensity. From 80 through the mid 80's he was one of the best outfielders in baseball, but around 88 his numbers just died off. He did win 2 MVP, and 5 Gold Gloves. However, what set Murphy apart from other OF's was his ability to play all three outfield positions. Most people think of him as a CF, but roughly half of his games were played in either RF or LF (not just towards the end of his career). Personally, I believe one of the hardest areas to judge him is his power. Most people know that CFs are not power hitters, but are the "SS and 2nd base of the OF (except for a few exceptions), yet he hit 398 HR. Now, how many of those came from when he was playing CF?
Jeff Bagwell - One of the greatest power hitters during the 90s. Before I begin, I doubt he was on steriods because his numbers were always consisent, unlike those of Brady Anderson, Palmerio, Sosa, etc (If one examines the latter's numbers, then you will notice a dramatic peak after years of mediorce). He won 1 Gold Glove, 1 MVP, and finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 6 times. He hit 30+ Hr 11 straight seasons, and the two seaons after the streak ended he hit 29 and 28. He had 100+ RBIs in 9 out of 10 seasons, including 116 in only 110 games. Furthermore, he was a career .297 hitter, a .408 OBP (40th all time), and a .540 SLG (36th all time). Finally, his OPS is ranked 22nd all time at .948 This still does not include his 1,529 RBIs (29th), 1,401 BB (22nd).
Of the ones listed above, I believe the following belong in the HOF:
Bagwell - He is one of the few players that is hurt because of the steriod era. His numbers speek for themselves.
McGriff - If he hit 7 more HRs, then he would be a no brainer, not to mention he played in an era were the ballparks were huge, thus making his numbers more impressive.
Raines - One of the best leadoff hitters in his era, and did his job, score runs while stealing over 800 bases.
Morris - For two reasons, his constiency of 13 straight seasons of 15 straight seasons of 15+ wins (not including the strike season of 81 when he still won 14 games). Finally, I place a lot of weight on Post Season performance, which he was the anchor of 84 Tigers and 91 Twins on their World Series Championships.
What is going to be interesting are the next few few years, the players that will be eligible for the HOF
2013: Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Piazza, Biggio, Schilling
2014: Maddox, Glavine
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