First, thanks for compliance.
Requests for compliance was one choice. Trying to be
equally non-compliant was the choice you made.
[quote:a3c12296f9="DonFESQ"]And apparently its not for discussion as it is simply dismissed as cheating when it is no more cheating than not drafting 3 relievers or switching player cards out during a season.[/quote:a3c12296f9]
2 cactchers at all times is in the rules. Literally.
3 pure relievers is in the rules. Literally.
Switching players is allowed and endorsed by TSN. Bernie
has written code to support this. Like it or dislike them as
rules, they are clear.
Ironman catchers in live draft leagues -- BAD NEWS!
by Proverbial Psalms » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:16 pm
I can't comment on the "he-said", "she-said" portion of this, because I was not there when most of it was said.
But, I do see plenty of inconsistencies in how various rules are specified, interpreted, enforced, and selectively rejected or accepted by the community... most notably in live drafts.
In live drafts, it is common for some draftcard rules to be ignored completely... e.g. (a) not drafting 3 pure relievers, (b) ability to draft 11 pitchers and only 14 hitters. It frustrates me every time I see 6/7 SP's and a total of 11 pitchers drafted, but it is generally accpeted and, thus, so it goes. While the draft card loophole on catchers seems somewhat further out there re: limits of reasonableness, it is at least consistent in that the draft engine allows it despite it being clear in the rules, just as with the other rules mentioned.
Although I agree with folks who think the catcher loophole should be corrected, I also identify with Don's reaction to the reactions. I have seen similar polarization regarding the concept of intentionally using players out of position... e.g. having only CF-rated OF's and thus forcing HAL to use two of them in LF & RF. To me it is allowable, with a rules-specified penalty, so why isn't it acceptable? Yet, to others it is outright cheating... :roll:
Seems like there is consistency in the inconsistency
But, I do see plenty of inconsistencies in how various rules are specified, interpreted, enforced, and selectively rejected or accepted by the community... most notably in live drafts.
In live drafts, it is common for some draftcard rules to be ignored completely... e.g. (a) not drafting 3 pure relievers, (b) ability to draft 11 pitchers and only 14 hitters. It frustrates me every time I see 6/7 SP's and a total of 11 pitchers drafted, but it is generally accpeted and, thus, so it goes. While the draft card loophole on catchers seems somewhat further out there re: limits of reasonableness, it is at least consistent in that the draft engine allows it despite it being clear in the rules, just as with the other rules mentioned.
Although I agree with folks who think the catcher loophole should be corrected, I also identify with Don's reaction to the reactions. I have seen similar polarization regarding the concept of intentionally using players out of position... e.g. having only CF-rated OF's and thus forcing HAL to use two of them in LF & RF. To me it is allowable, with a rules-specified penalty, so why isn't it acceptable? Yet, to others it is outright cheating... :roll:
Seems like there is consistency in the inconsistency
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by 216 Stitches » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:22 pm
[quote:df9193cb8c="motherscratcher"]And honestly, at this point I have no idea why anyone is trying to hide the guy's identity. [/quote:df9193cb8c]
I can't answer for everyone, but I think there is just a basic level
of respect for DonFESQ. He is not a fly-by-night manager that
swoops in and cheats a few leagues, he deserves the right to
come clean by his own admission.
I can't answer for everyone, but I think there is just a basic level
of respect for DonFESQ. He is not a fly-by-night manager that
swoops in and cheats a few leagues, he deserves the right to
come clean by his own admission.
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by dharmabums » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:55 pm
The issue for me is that players need to be aware that this can be done, and that it is against the rules. Whether it happens by accident, which happens, or is done intentionally, doing this trick gives a guy an injury-free catcher. When that catcher is Josh Gibson or Joe Mauer, this is a tremendous advantage over the rest of the league.
Live draft leagues are buyer beware. This is one of those bewares.
Live draft leagues are buyer beware. This is one of those bewares.
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by ADRIANGABRIEL » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:18 pm
Can someone post a link to a completed team that played one of these so-called Iron Man catchers?
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by modmark46 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:59 pm
Don't know anything about this issue, but I will say, in Don's defense, that I have played in LOTS of leagues with him, and he has always been above board, and a attentive manager. The only [i:94dd977a99]issue[/i:94dd977a99] I have ever had with him is that he wins so much; the guy is just really good at this game. :)
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by Morpheus » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:06 pm
Adrian,
Here is one from long ago .. only one I could find ..
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/team/team_other.html?user_id=315921
I think the irony in this is it all started with some seemingly rude league messages about etiquette .. what comes around, goes around?
Here is one from long ago .. only one I could find ..
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/stratomatic/team/team_other.html?user_id=315921
I think the irony in this is it all started with some seemingly rude league messages about etiquette .. what comes around, goes around?
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