ATG VI New Card Batch #6: holdouts

[bernieh]

As I mentioned, there were 2 hitter cards that I held back from yesterday's ATG VI New Card Batch #6 because when I looked them over at the last minute, I found them to exhibit substantial HR power inflation caused by being poached from FantaSim, similar to the Arky Vaughan 1935 card I added in December.

I'm not thrilled with these cards in general - and one day I hope to be able to replace them with more accurate versions - but I still want to give you the choice of having them in ATG VI or not, like I did with Vaughan. The majority of you wanted to have Vaughan's inflated card, but that was before anyone saw him play in leagues. Now that you have, I want to allow for the possibility that your feelings may have evolved.

So here's a poll on these 2 guys in question - combined into one for practicality's sake, but the results will be tabulated as if you had a vote for each card. Majority wins for each, but if it's close, I'll probably err on the side of keeping them out.

I'm hoping that a clear consensus will emerge by the end of the day, at which point I can officially add them (or not) to the set, as well as the Live Draft app.

[b:94c6c27597]Bob Elliott (1947) - MVP - $9,880,000[/b:94c6c27597]
.317/.410/.517 (.927 OPS); 150 G, 645 PA, 35 DO, 22 HR, 113 RBI, 87 BB
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[b:94c6c27597]Eddie Miller (1947) - $7,340,000[/b:94c6c27597]
.268/.333/.457 (.790); 151 G, 602 PA, 38 DO, 19 HR, 87 RBI, 49 BB
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[bernieh]

Oh man, I forgot to tell you what they'd be priced at. Original post edited to include the following:

Bob Elliott (1947): $9,880,000
Eddie Miller (1947): $7,340,000

[Valen]

Arky is putting up the kind of inappropriate HR numbers I expected. 34 in one, 41 in another, and leading onother with 55 HRs. And that is in 200 mil leagues so facing the best possible pitching.

These 2 cards will do same thing. 19 and 22 HRs respectively but both have max allotment of #s on each side of card. Seriously?

I am all for adding great players/cards and even 1 year wonders but the cards should be representative of what the player really did. These are more of a joke. Why stop here? Might as well just give us a card editor and let us make up our own cards and put our own name on them. Be just as close to reality.

[dukie98]

Bob Elliott had a solid season, but not one which would justify a $10 million card-- and that's with poor defense and mediocre speed. Neither his .927 OPS nor his 147 Adjusted OPS+ rank anywhere near the top 500 seasons in baseball history. I'm fine with adding a realistic version of Elliott (and Miller), but his 22-homer season shouldn't result in a Kiner/ McGwire-like stat line. Same principle for Miller- no as to both.

I recently finished a season with Arky in Dunn, with two pitchers parks in the division-- he ended up with 49 homers, which matches his combined total for the four best seasons of his career.

[216 Stitches]

I was really on the fence on this one. Inserting the cards with
no chance of improving the accuracy would be a clear "no." But
that qualifier is a game changer. So some thoughts:

#1 There will be a constant in game reminder -- Arky, Elliot and
Miller will give use 3 big reasons to get the improved accuracy
additions into the set.

#2 I would like to see improved accuracy additions of all cards
poached from Fantasim, not just the most extreme cases.

#3 A card swap, IMHO, would count as a new card. At least with
respect to the how it impacts strategy.

So a yes, but a qualified yes.

[Muadib1950]

Uhhh the Eddie Miller "card" is NOT displaying. Even so, I guess I do not understand this "poaching from FantaSim" phenomenon with these problem cards. Strat Central in Glen Head has some sort of formula, do they not, for assigning pure HR chances, HR split chances, and how many up to a max of 8 park factor chances on each side of the card based on (1) total HRs, (2) the player's Home Park, and (3) I assume the array of Road Parks he played in for the season in question.

Thus, if the pure or park factor chances, or both, are erroneous in reflecting performance, why not simply change card manually ... as in edit the infernal bad card? Does not the game engine just read a card result and then process a play based on it, or does each card bring programming baggage with it beyond describing the face of the card? :?

[ADRIANGABRIEL]

All programming carries programming baggage.

[nels52]

No to both along with all other suped-up Fanta-Sim cards. More importantly though, I'd like Arky removed. No room for a SS playing Babe Ruth (actually he's BETTER than the babe) who only hit 19 homers in real life in the inflated 1930's. :roll:

[BDWard]

Most gamers want to have an opportunity to play with the best seasons for players. I find it heartening that many in the community are saying that accuracy is important as well.

With so many seasons for so many good players from which to choose, I'm surprised that we are even having this discussion.

The problem with the Fantasim cards can easily be eliminated by removing such cards from "poach list" consideration until such time as the cards are updated to more accurately reflect actual performance.

I find it more than a little ironic that this problem even exists for a product where the manufacturer has long prided itself on reproducing accurate results.

[nels52]

[quote:f1438349dc="BDWard"]

I find it more than a little ironic that this problem even exists for a product where the manufacturer has long prided itself on reproducing accurate results.[/quote:f1438349dc]

Good point, also that so many players crucify steroid users (kind of an assumption but still) and want steroid infused strat cards. :lol: