Super Reliever

[OakAth72]

Not much "realism" in regards to any of the stats or matchups these leagues produce and that's a fact that we must accept. In "reality" most of these players never faced each other or played in the various ballparks thus creating statistical variables we like to deem unrealistic. The stats as reflected on the drafted card are a unit of measurement or baseline, not a constant, and can be grossly inflated or deflated by league parameters. This is part of the challenge, this is part of the fun.

I would like to see a thread wherein managers post end of season stats that come eerily close to the carded stats.

[The Last Druid]

Your Team: Moscow Protests

Owner: Petrosian
Manager: Putin/Bush/Obama suk
Record: 90-69 (1st place, East Division)
Initial Salary Cap: 80,000,000
Cash Available: 20,000
Home ballpark: Forbes Field '09


Simulated stats | Sim L/R splits | Sim Home/Road splits | Real-life stats

Pitchers (10) min. 9, max. 12
Name T End. W L S BS IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA WHIP BAL Salary
McDowell, Sam (1968) L S8* 19 9 0 0 311.0 205 75 68 119 306 12 [b:8b29f2787f]1.97[/b:8b29f2787f] 1.04 3L 9.60M
Score, Herb (1956) L S8*/R4 20 14 0 0 303.0 182 80 61 156 350 20 [b:8b29f2787f]1.81[/b:8b29f2787f] 1.12 2R 7.91M
Hunter, Catfish (1972) R S8* 14 17 0 0 299.0 244 102 86 79 181 25 [b:8b29f2787f]2.59 [/b:8b29f2787f]1.08 3R 7.85M
Schilling, Curt (2001) R S7* 18 13 0 0 288.0 246 93 79 46 273 21 [b:8b29f2787f]2.47[/b:8b29f2787f] 1.01 1R 7.34M
Leal, Luis (1985) R S5 1 0 0 0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 E .50M
Radatz, Dick (1964) R R3 6 6 38 10 104.0 73 34 25 40 109 7 2.16 1.09 1L 4.59M
Linzy, Frank (1972) R R3 6 3 3 0 76.1 67 21 16 19 18 6 1.89 1.13 9R .93M
Sambito, Joe (1984) L R2 0 1 1 1 16.1 14 9 9 11 11 1 4.97 1.53 9L .91M
Williams, Mitch (1986) L R2 3 0 0 0 29.2 13 4 4 15 32 1 1.21 0.94 E .86M
Sherry, Larry (1964) R R4 3 6 1 0 30.0 26 11 10 24 25 2 3.00 1.67 6R .82M
TOTALS 90 69 43 11 1459.1 1070 429 358 509 1305 95 2.21 1.08

[macnole]

Nice
*Like*

[macnole]

Except for Biggio--but played in Forbes. I say as carded, but obviously would be more appropriate to say as expected, based on park, 100M cap, etc.

[list:265760fb62]Name B P Def. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E BA OBP SLG BAL Salary
Sanguillen, Manny (1972) R C 1(-2)e5 560 49 165 14 13 5 85 28 58 0 0 12 .295 .320 .393 1L 3.20M

Sisler, George (1920) L 1B 1e12 715 141 256 45 16 16 124 37 59 37 10 11 .358 .391 .533 2R 10.27M
Biggio, Craig (1998) R 2B 1e16 692 111 190 37 3 11 70 67 112 27 13 15 .275 .359 .384 1L 8.11M
Traynor, Pie (1929) R 3B 1e22 571 72 181 25 7 4 85 38 57 18 2 27 .317 .357 .406 E 5.78M

Fernandez, Tony (1985) S SS 1e33 322 33 81 15 1 5 38 15 38 2 0 15 .252 .282 .351 1L 2.61M
Jackson, Joe (1920) L LF 1(0)e8 606 99 214 35 22 16 118 47 66 0 0 8 .353 .402 .563 3R 8.87M
Kelley, Joe (1894) R LF 3(+2)e9 649 132 192 50 19 9 76 113 99 10 7 0 .296 .400 .473 1L 7.40M
Duffy, Hugh (1894) R CF 2(-2)e11 622 114 207 53 17 17 140 84 75 15 3 8 .333 .403 .555 3L 11.75M
Noren, Irv (1951) L CF 2(-2)e12 364 41 99 27 3 2 46 32 27 9 1 5 .272 .328 .379 3R 1.49M
Kreevich, Mike (1941) R CF 2(0)e3 188 23 30 7 4 0 14 20 21 5 0 1 .160 .238 .239 6L 1.04M[/list:u:265760fb62]

[Sheikyerboudi]

[quote:4d7476681b="Petrosian"]Bonds would have hit a lot more than 100 homers if they actually pitched to him.

I'm not quite so thrilled with the 282 r.b.i', mostly because that's unattainable for me.

I think we need to start drug testing Frank Zappa Lives.[/quote:4d7476681b]

Yikes!!!! I'd better slip out the back door before they get here to take the sample 8-)

[bkeat23]

[quote:ffdae5c890="Frank Zappa Lives!!!"][quote:ffdae5c890="Petrosian"]Bonds would have hit a lot more than 100 homers if they actually pitched to him.

I'm not quite so thrilled with the 282 r.b.i', mostly because that's unattainable for me.

I think we need to start drug testing Frank Zappa Lives.[/quote:ffdae5c890]

Yikes!!!! I'd better slip out the back door before they get here to take the sample 8-)[/quote:ffdae5c890]

Not to worry, make sure they take the sample late in the day, after the last Fed X pickup :wink:

[chuckwonup]

Nev started a great discussion and I wanted to steer towards Dwights ideas that I am seeing as being increasingly relevant. Dwight stated-

[quote:7cc664caef]The first topic, for most any league of SOM managers, is to eliminate the cards with stats that are blown up with fewer at bats. The statistical oddities, with partial seasons that are hugely out of whack.

This is done by ab plus walk limitations, IP limits for starters, relievers and s/r, and stiff penalties for going over. I have been in leagues where you could lose a player for the season through the injury chart. Leagues with 200 ab/walk minimums for Catchers, 175 IP for Starters etc. All put in place to make the body of cards more representative, fairer, and dare I say it to... produce more normal seasons.[/quote:7cc664caef]


My personal threshold for unreality has been tested by some of the new strategies and also cards being utilized. I must admit I am as guilty as anyone for how I have played the game. After reading this site I raced to pick Eddie Matthews and have Arky Vaughn, Ken Smith on that team and a superreliever.

Dwight has some very interesting ideas about caps that can be built in that also would effect salaries. When I was a first playing the game as a kid we were smart enough to set caps on usage.

I believe more realism would also help new managers to stick with strat and create more competition. Right now its as if were in the Roid- Era when so many are using people are wondering whats going on?

Don't get me wrong I love this game, could live with no change and keep taking steroids- but I'd rather go into rehab.

[gfg001]

I think part of the problem with strat's tendency to stray towards unreaslism is the Toy vs Model idea.
There are people who have model train set-ups that are exactly to scale, including the buildings , people, etc...highly realistic. There Toy trains like Lionel that are not always to scale ,sometimes unrealistic,and not to scale with their various accessories.....but alot of fun to play with.
There are games like Risk or Monopoly in which you play at being a general or tycoon,but within their rules certain startegies will be successful which a real general or tycoon would never do. There are other games which over the years have tried to to be more like a recreation.,of the the Avalon Hill type or computer sim games.

Strat really just started as a board game, a toy, it was meant to be fun(not a sabermetric computer tool to recreate or simulate seasons)...certainly over the years more and more rules were added to increase realism...but still it remains a game with some arbitrary rules that with a little gamesmenship can be manipulated to a smart players advantage. Like in any game.
LIke any other game if competitive balance is lost it might be less fun....I think we have all played games in which once we learn the "trick" we gradually lose interest.

I understand all the demands to change... I'm having fun now...but if bernie adds a little tweak which forces players or pitches to stay in a historical number of innings or games... fine ..it is just one more rule.

[macnole]

I dont know if I agree with gfg. (And that's OK by the way!)

Two reasons.

1. Lionel trains are no more toys than any other brand. They have valid scale gauges like any other reputable company. Whether people choose to mix HO and O, well is the consumer's choice...just like SOM online--we're mixing gauges.

2. Hal Richman created SOM precisely because he wanted a realistic statistical recreation versus a "toy", which was prevalent at the time. Note you must make a distinction between SOM-online as delivered by TSN, and SOM, as delivered by Richman from the SOM Game Co. COMPLETELY different games.

In the online adaptation of SOM, done by TSN, we have thrown away many of the SOM rules that enforce statistical recreation--which the original game is very good at.

Once you use the simulation outside of season recreation, it is instantly "mixing train scales". The season recreation is exactly what the cards are normed to.

WHY DOES ANYONE get surprised when we get statistical abnormalities of seasonal performances when we use the cards outside the statistical boundaries they were created in?

Replay a season in its entirety with the true rosters with all rules in their real parks on their real schedule...you would be amazed at the recreation accuracy--even when accounting for game management differences by managers.

[Stormcrow2012]

macnole said:[quote:11dd02620d]2. Hal Richman created SOM precisely because he wanted a realistic statistical recreation versus a "toy", which was prevalent at the time. Note you must make a distinction between SOM-online as delivered by TSN, and SOM, as delivered by Richman from the SOM Game Co. COMPLETELY different games.

In the online adaptation of SOM, done by TSN, we have thrown away many of the SOM rules that enforce statistical recreation--which the original game is very good at.

Once you use the simulation outside of season recreation, it is instantly "mixing train scales". The season recreation is exactly what the cards are normed to.

WHY DOES ANYONE get surprised when we get statistical abnormalities of seasonal performances when we use the cards outside the statistical boundaries they were created in?

Replay a season in its entirety with the true rosters with all rules in their real parks on their real schedule...you would be amazed at the recreation accuracy--even when accounting for game management differences by managers. [/quote:11dd02620d]


All of this is true.