[quote:1aae43583b="Valen"]Not sure I see the connection between pricing and what has transpired here.[/quote:1aae43583b]
If teams cost $5 each, there would be no disincentive for doing what this manager did. For $25, you have made a relatively decent investment and basically throwing it away through wholesale salary dumping until your team is absolutely non-competitive is, for most people, not going to happen.
Then again, the opposite argument could be made that he paid his $25 and he can do with his team what he wants. It's the competitive imbalance and the fact that it affects the other managers that is the problem.
Disgusted
by 1787 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:34 am
At this point the manager in question has contacted me and asked what he was doing wrong with all the changes, I explained the impact on the league that it may have and I believe he NOW gets it. I accept this to be a rookie mistake and wished him well as he learns the game. This "complaint"was never meant to tell someone how to build and run his team lord knows I have had more than my share of STINKO teams and have tried to win going against the grain of ballpark bias with out much success but when I noticed he was a rookie I thought I would offer some advise to help him get off to a positive start. Its only when he ignored me and subsequently watched him devalue his team by 30 million in his first 21 games that I posted my
"complaint" both here and on my league board. I am satisfied that the manager in question gets it and no further action is required.
Bill
"complaint" both here and on my league board. I am satisfied that the manager in question gets it and no further action is required.
Bill
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by Valen » Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:40 am
[quote:34052fe7c6]If teams cost $5 each, there would be no disincentive for doing what this manager did. [/quote:34052fe7c6]
And yet this manager did so even though he paid more than $5. So cost it would appear is not that much of a disincentive.
[quote:34052fe7c6]I am satisfied that the manager in question gets it and no further action is required. [/quote:34052fe7c6]
It is good to hear this has ended in this manner. If indeed he has now understood your message and heeds it his next team should be better. And that could lead to him staying and your actions may have led to a long term addition to the community.
Unsolicited advice is not always welcomed by many. But once a person has shot himself in the foot he is more likely to listen to the person who told him to make sure the safety is on. :lol:
And yet this manager did so even though he paid more than $5. So cost it would appear is not that much of a disincentive.
[quote:34052fe7c6]I am satisfied that the manager in question gets it and no further action is required. [/quote:34052fe7c6]
It is good to hear this has ended in this manner. If indeed he has now understood your message and heeds it his next team should be better. And that could lead to him staying and your actions may have led to a long term addition to the community.
Unsolicited advice is not always welcomed by many. But once a person has shot himself in the foot he is more likely to listen to the person who told him to make sure the safety is on. :lol:
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by JohnnyBlazers » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:08 am
Its good that you helped school him on the impact of his moves, but for me personally, I don't have a problem with someone making a bunch of moves in trying to better their team. Tanking is one thing, experimentation is another. I make moves all the time and take a hit and it lowers the value of the team but so what?
Macnole, the rule says one thing but really the spirit of the rule is to discourage tanking, which is very different than making moves, creating a team of your favorite players, whatever. The team you create is up to the owners discretion. Recently I was in a 100 Million league where one of the managers created a team with just the players who played for his selected franchise and this wasn't a Franchise league or theme, he just created a team of his franchise. Needless to say, it was not competitive and lost 100 games - now the wild card did not come from his division (lucky for me) but should I be upset with him for playing his team - of course not.
I think some people might be upset that the new guy wasn't in their division and thus lost out on a chance for some free credits :wink:
Macnole, the rule says one thing but really the spirit of the rule is to discourage tanking, which is very different than making moves, creating a team of your favorite players, whatever. The team you create is up to the owners discretion. Recently I was in a 100 Million league where one of the managers created a team with just the players who played for his selected franchise and this wasn't a Franchise league or theme, he just created a team of his franchise. Needless to say, it was not competitive and lost 100 games - now the wild card did not come from his division (lucky for me) but should I be upset with him for playing his team - of course not.
I think some people might be upset that the new guy wasn't in their division and thus lost out on a chance for some free credits :wink:
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by macnole » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:59 pm
Salary dumping is separate and distinct, not part of tanking. It's clear and it is there for a reason:
[b:c3fca6aad0]"Salary dumping. You may not jettison talent from your team, hold a "fire sale", or otherwise make wholesale changes to your roster that reduces the overall salary value of your team." [/b:c3fca6aad0]
And no more than 125 players can be on a roster, so the intent is there, and the rule is very loosely applied, i.e., it is up to the managers involved to police it.
Ultimately all that matters is the other managers in the league are all ok with it, not one or two, nor anyone not in the league.
$25 vs $8 is a disincentive, naturally, but not a bar, clearly.
Glad to hear it was rectified to the satisfaction of the other managers.
[b:c3fca6aad0]"Salary dumping. You may not jettison talent from your team, hold a "fire sale", or otherwise make wholesale changes to your roster that reduces the overall salary value of your team." [/b:c3fca6aad0]
And no more than 125 players can be on a roster, so the intent is there, and the rule is very loosely applied, i.e., it is up to the managers involved to police it.
Ultimately all that matters is the other managers in the league are all ok with it, not one or two, nor anyone not in the league.
$25 vs $8 is a disincentive, naturally, but not a bar, clearly.
Glad to hear it was rectified to the satisfaction of the other managers.
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by macnole » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:05 pm
and hey guys--I'm not trying to come off like a jerk.
Definitely understand 1787's frustration and it's a fine line between paying your fair share and devaluing everyone else's.
So in that sense, understand the counterpoints too.
Definitely understand 1787's frustration and it's a fine line between paying your fair share and devaluing everyone else's.
So in that sense, understand the counterpoints too.
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by Salty » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:59 pm
[quote:1d48e6a782="shep4117"]I am one of the guys that Salty spoke about. If you make a new ID, which I did a couple times, you get 2 teams for $14.95, or at least I did a few weeks ago. Not sure if that is still available.
For me, I don't care what my manager rating is., so changing my ID is not an issue. I'll never play as much as most of you (maybe 2 teams per year), so my rating would never get very high anyway. I enjoy it very much, am pretty good at it, love reading and researching on the message board, and can't wait for the date a search function is enabled.
Bill[/quote:1d48e6a782]
Bill-
I only care because I take a little more care when dealing with newer managers vs. ones who are experienced-
I assume that once you've been playing for a minute that folks understand things like that they can use any of a given players card- whereas someone who is a new-bee I would explain that sort of thing.
For me, I don't care what my manager rating is., so changing my ID is not an issue. I'll never play as much as most of you (maybe 2 teams per year), so my rating would never get very high anyway. I enjoy it very much, am pretty good at it, love reading and researching on the message board, and can't wait for the date a search function is enabled.
Bill[/quote:1d48e6a782]
Bill-
I only care because I take a little more care when dealing with newer managers vs. ones who are experienced-
I assume that once you've been playing for a minute that folks understand things like that they can use any of a given players card- whereas someone who is a new-bee I would explain that sort of thing.
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by willsghoul » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:53 pm
[quote:5ed40e4b66="1787"]At this point the manager in question has contacted me and asked what he was doing wrong with all the changes, I explained the impact on the league that it may have and I believe he NOW gets it. I accept this to be a rookie mistake and wished him well as he learns the game. This "complaint"was never meant to tell someone how to build and run his team lord knows I have had more than my share of STINKO teams and have tried to win going against the grain of ballpark bias with out much success but when I noticed he was a rookie I thought I would offer some advise to help him get off to a positive start. Its only when he ignored me and subsequently watched him devalue his team by 30 million in his first 21 games that I posted my
"complaint" both here and on my league board. I am satisfied that the manager in question gets it and no further action is required.
Bill[/quote:5ed40e4b66] I am in the league and a new player as well , i made a few moves the last couple of days only because i'm getting clobbered and not moving runners along the base paths , but nothing along the lines of the player in question in these posts , even being a "newbie" i had to roll my eyes at the decimation of the team in question , i consider the post a point well taken.
"complaint" both here and on my league board. I am satisfied that the manager in question gets it and no further action is required.
Bill[/quote:5ed40e4b66] I am in the league and a new player as well , i made a few moves the last couple of days only because i'm getting clobbered and not moving runners along the base paths , but nothing along the lines of the player in question in these posts , even being a "newbie" i had to roll my eyes at the decimation of the team in question , i consider the post a point well taken.
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by 1787 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:02 pm
Just when I thought PETER FORDEMA got it, PETER FORDEMA proved me wrong. PETER FORDEMA has now lowered his team value down to the mid 40mil range[80M LEAGUE] with only two players valued over 4 mil and none over 6mil. Yes this PETER FORDEMA has not gotten it at all.
By the way did I mention his name is PETER FORDEMA
By the way did I mention his name is PETER FORDEMA
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