Unleashed set, Yes or No
cshannajr - NO
7smitty7 - NO
kaviksdad
ehlekev - NO
cubit
nythawk-YES
Cubs48 - NO
theturtle
bigmahon - YES
terry101
qksilver - NO
USKL3 chat thread
by Ninersphan » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:34 pm
Unleashed set, Yes or No
cshannajr - NO
7smitty7 - NO
kaviksdad - NO
ehlekev - NO
cubit
nythawk-YES
Cubs48 - NO
theturtle
bigmahon - YES
terry101
qksilver - NO
that's 6 no's a majority :cry:
No it is, I'll keep trying though...
cshannajr - NO
7smitty7 - NO
kaviksdad - NO
ehlekev - NO
cubit
nythawk-YES
Cubs48 - NO
theturtle
bigmahon - YES
terry101
qksilver - NO
that's 6 no's a majority :cry:
No it is, I'll keep trying though...
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here's the issue
by qksilver69 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:32 pm
Hawk, you kind of glossed over Parmelee, but the impact of adding his bat in the early FA draft, as well as the others, is different from some of the borderline guys already in there.
Parmelee has no injury roll and would contend for both BA and HR titles, easy triple crown candidate. That's a Bonds-like 13M card. Johnson's a top SP card yes but TSN has never excluded someone with that many IP. They exclude sub-100 PA guys like Parmelee all the time.
I do think they should have included the Cs but overall I see more harm than good in playing the unleashed set in this format. In random draft leagues it's different, and in re-draft leagues it's different, but adding top cards like that to a keeper league really skews the 1st round.
Parmelee has no injury roll and would contend for both BA and HR titles, easy triple crown candidate. That's a Bonds-like 13M card. Johnson's a top SP card yes but TSN has never excluded someone with that many IP. They exclude sub-100 PA guys like Parmelee all the time.
I do think they should have included the Cs but overall I see more harm than good in playing the unleashed set in this format. In random draft leagues it's different, and in re-draft leagues it's different, but adding top cards like that to a keeper league really skews the 1st round.
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Re: here's the issue
by Ninersphan » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:48 pm
[quote:afc3b315c8="qksilver"]Hawk, you kind of glossed over Parmelee, but the impact of adding his bat in the early FA draft, as well as the others, is different from some of the borderline guys already in there.
Parmelee has no injury roll and would contend for both BA and HR titles, easy triple crown candidate. That's a Bonds-like 13M card. Johnson's a top SP card yes but TSN has never excluded someone with that many IP. They exclude sub-100 PA guys like Parmelee all the time.
I do think they should have included the Cs but overall I see more harm than good in playing the unleashed set in this format. In random draft leagues it's different, and in re-draft leagues it's different, but adding top cards like that to a keeper league really skews the 1st round.[/quote:afc3b315c8]
In my opinion, it adds value back to the first round. Between the prospect and supplemental drafts, what is supposed to be the "big draft" the spring free agent draft, has, at least to me, become VERY watered down, and adding these guys to the mix brings value back to 1st round picks, and allows for teams that were terrible the year before to become competitve quickly.
In either HCKL or GMKL I haven't sniffed the playoffs and don't know when or even if I will because the vast majority of good to great players are condensed on a few teams. I can't get a surplus of anything enough to trade it away to fill all the needs I have. Adding these cards might help teams like mine do more then go through the motions and be fodder for the super teams, by either allowing us to compete, albiet for one year, or providiing real value for 1st round picks that could be traded to teams with more of a surplus to allow teams to rebuild more quickly.
Just my 2 cents.
I also think if every player was named John Smith, no one would have a problem with the fluke cards.
Parmelee has no injury roll and would contend for both BA and HR titles, easy triple crown candidate. That's a Bonds-like 13M card. Johnson's a top SP card yes but TSN has never excluded someone with that many IP. They exclude sub-100 PA guys like Parmelee all the time.
I do think they should have included the Cs but overall I see more harm than good in playing the unleashed set in this format. In random draft leagues it's different, and in re-draft leagues it's different, but adding top cards like that to a keeper league really skews the 1st round.[/quote:afc3b315c8]
In my opinion, it adds value back to the first round. Between the prospect and supplemental drafts, what is supposed to be the "big draft" the spring free agent draft, has, at least to me, become VERY watered down, and adding these guys to the mix brings value back to 1st round picks, and allows for teams that were terrible the year before to become competitve quickly.
In either HCKL or GMKL I haven't sniffed the playoffs and don't know when or even if I will because the vast majority of good to great players are condensed on a few teams. I can't get a surplus of anything enough to trade it away to fill all the needs I have. Adding these cards might help teams like mine do more then go through the motions and be fodder for the super teams, by either allowing us to compete, albiet for one year, or providiing real value for 1st round picks that could be traded to teams with more of a surplus to allow teams to rebuild more quickly.
Just my 2 cents.
I also think if every player was named John Smith, no one would have a problem with the fluke cards.
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by qksilver69 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:02 pm
Sorry Bill, I know where you are coming from, just depends on POV. The name thing is not the issue for me, it's more putting unrealistic value in the draft - it really makes the league title MUCH more subject to luck than skill, and I am very much against that. Having the top draft pick becomes a lottery ticket that can really pay off more than it should. If you are getting a 6 or 8M card, ok. A 13M card is too much.
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by Ninersphan » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:09 pm
[quote:1e852e4812="qksilver"]Sorry Bill, I know where you are coming from, just depends on POV. The name thing is not the issue for me, it's more putting unrealistic value in the draft - it really makes the league title MUCH more subject to luck than skill, and I am very much against that. Having the top draft pick becomes a lottery ticket that can really pay off more than it should. If you are getting a 6 or 8M card, ok. A 13M card is too much.[/quote:1e852e4812]
And I'd argue the league title comes down to luck anyway no matter how skilled you are putting together a roster. How many times have we seen 100+ win teams fall in the first round of the playoffs to 85 win teams due to lucky dice rolls?? HMMM
Hell, in the other keeper league I run, NAKL, we had two, 100+ win teams, one with 108 one with 101, BOTH were ousted in the first round of the playoffs and the championship team was the one with the fewest wins entering post season play.
The luck argument rings VERY hollow with me.
And I'd argue the league title comes down to luck anyway no matter how skilled you are putting together a roster. How many times have we seen 100+ win teams fall in the first round of the playoffs to 85 win teams due to lucky dice rolls?? HMMM
Hell, in the other keeper league I run, NAKL, we had two, 100+ win teams, one with 108 one with 101, BOTH were ousted in the first round of the playoffs and the championship team was the one with the fewest wins entering post season play.
The luck argument rings VERY hollow with me.
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by Ninersphan » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:57 pm
[quote:2dc775eafc="Cubit"]Unleashed set, Yes or No
cshannajr - NO
7smitty7 - NO
kaviksdad - NO
ehlekev - NO
Cubit - NO
nythawk-YES
Cubs48 - NO
theturtle
bigmahon - YES
terry101
qksilver - NO
that's 7 no's a majority
No it is,[/quote:2dc775eafc]
Actaully we had a majority at 6, because as commish, I abstain from league votes, ensuring we can always get a majority. :wink:
Regardless it's still no :cry:
cshannajr - NO
7smitty7 - NO
kaviksdad - NO
ehlekev - NO
Cubit - NO
nythawk-YES
Cubs48 - NO
theturtle
bigmahon - YES
terry101
qksilver - NO
that's 7 no's a majority
No it is,[/quote:2dc775eafc]
Actaully we had a majority at 6, because as commish, I abstain from league votes, ensuring we can always get a majority. :wink:
Regardless it's still no :cry:
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On luck...
by qksilver69 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:22 pm
I know the playoffs are luck once you get there Bill - I probably know that better than any manager in TSN actually - look at my playoff % vs. playoff win % sometime. Last year 13 of my 15 teams made the playoffs, 4 won titles, and I had 5 100+ win teams get knocked off by lesser teams. So I know a bit about the luck factor in the playoffs.
But what I mean is, the huge cards bring too much luck [i:2189fe993c]into the regular season records[/i:2189fe993c]. A 13M card over a 6M card for position players is a 5-7 win differential by my calcs over the season. That's very easily the difference between making the playoffs or not, too much impact of one player on the playoff races.
But what I mean is, the huge cards bring too much luck [i:2189fe993c]into the regular season records[/i:2189fe993c]. A 13M card over a 6M card for position players is a 5-7 win differential by my calcs over the season. That's very easily the difference between making the playoffs or not, too much impact of one player on the playoff races.
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