Disgusted

[The Last Druid]

[quote:9f46c714a7]Back when I started in 2001 I often would start a season well below the cap if I did not get the players I wanted in the autodraft. I was counting on people giving up on good players and wanted money to buy them with. Did quite well with that strategy at 80 mil level. [/quote:9f46c714a7]

I found this post interesting, primarily because Valen stated that this rather counterintuitive strategy was successful.

So, I checked Valen's managerial record. He only had one team in ATG, which did do well ,90-72. But of his twelve teams in ATG II, his winning pct. was only .478. So I have to wonder if there is more than one example of Valen's teams that used this strategy successfully. I'd love to see them.

[Mr Baseball World]

Maybe he was referring to 2001 game rather than ATG? However, I can't see it being successful even with the limited pool of the original ATG or 2001 unless people gave up really early on players.

[The Last Druid]

The first 200x team that he played was 2005, at least under the name Valen.

[nevdully's]

He played under other name(s) but refuses to say what they were.

[danielz]

Kriff dumped 5 more players tonight.

[The Last Druid]

Thanks Nev. That's very telling in and of itself.

[1787]

A built in safety that would not allow a team to devalue their team past 20% in total. When any move was initiated once a team reached that 20%threshold it would be rejected by the game engine.

BILL

[Valen]

[quote:542bb55ab1]So, I checked Valen's managerial record. He only had one team in ATG, which did do well ,90-72. But of his twelve teams in ATG II, his winning pct. was only .478. So I have to wonder if there is more than one example of Valen's teams that used this strategy successfully. I'd love to see them.[/quote:542bb55ab1]
As I have stated before Valen is not the id I originally started playing under. Switched around the time the boards changed over.

I was strictly a 200x player for several years. And as I stated this was a strategy I used a few times in 2001 game and as stated was used as a draft recovery strategy. If I got the players I wanted I stayed with them. If I missed on most rather than settle for whatever was left found sometimes better to keep money unspent because I noted in almost every league there were good players getting dropped. Dropping players to clear cap room was self defeating strategy. But if you left 10 mil or so unspent you could usually count on being able to add 2 good players between games 20 and 40.

I did not play ATG when it first came out. Began migrating when ATG2 came out and for a long time draft strategy was to get my favorite players from childhood.

Combine that with always being in leagues with more experienced ATG managers than myself who drafted the best cards and you have formula for a losing record. Did not care. I was getting to use my favorite players and played with my heart, not my head. I probably still build most teams with my heart and not my head. Any increase in winning percentage is more due to addition of favorites with good cards than improved strategy.

Suppose that is part of reason I defend most managers right to run their teams as they see fit. I always have and probably always will. For example if I have Bob Gibson or Lou Brock or Vince Coleman do not even bother sending an offer. You will not be able to overpay enough. But even as I write that do not want to leave impression I support the kind of things that have been discussed in this thread.

[Valen]

By the way, I draft my fantasy baseball teams around my favorite players as well. By strange coincidence I have improved there as the Rangers have improved. :lol: Did a good job of drafting Rangers team this year. Though I have had to give up Verlander and Cano along with some lesser fillins to round out the team and get Beltre and Hamilton. Second year in a row I have had to trade Cano away.

[FUDU]

100mil league I'm in has a manager that has made so many moves in the first 70 games that he was literally swapped out both an entire staff and almost a complete lineup.

He's in last, and I don't expect he's done dropping/adding, which leads me to believe he will remain in last.