Just my common sense meter here, but if what Boyd says was true, don't you think someone would have or will come out and back him up?
If it isn't true, or it has been exaggerated, then you'd expect to hear what we are hearing now...nothing. Nobody wants to be involved in something like this unless they feel strongly one way or another. It's a troublesome accusation, the kind that you have to feel pretty grounded in your stance if you are going to go public.
We've got the Boston media printing and broadcasting every time a player golfs or eats chicken or drinks a beer, and a lot of these same guys were around during Boyd's time. But nobody knew this was happening?
I'm inclined to think Dennis stretched the truth.
He may be "colorful" and "eccentric" ...
by Salty » Fri May 11, 2012 10:37 am
I just dont think you can draw that conclusion.
How many stories have been in the media lately that had not come out publicly, yet had been going on for years?
Didn't we just have a series of sexual abuse charges levied against coaches that no one reported on until now?
How many stories have been in the media lately that had not come out publicly, yet had been going on for years?
Didn't we just have a series of sexual abuse charges levied against coaches that no one reported on until now?
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by PJ Axelsson » Fri May 11, 2012 12:47 pm
Well, if you want to compare this to those, then just like those events, we'll soon hear an avalanche of supporting stories from those who witnessed it.
Want to bet that we don't?
Want to bet that we don't?
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by nevdully's » Fri May 11, 2012 12:49 pm
[quote:abd7db5960]Just my common sense meter here, but if what Boyd says was true, don't you think someone would have or will come out and back him up?
If it isn't true, or it has been exaggerated, then you'd expect to hear what we are hearing now...nothing. Nobody wants to be involved in something like this unless they feel strongly one way or another. It's a troublesome accusation, the kind that you have to feel pretty grounded in your stance if you are going to go public.
[b:abd7db5960]We've got the Boston media printing and broadcasting every time a player golfs or eats chicken or drinks a beer, and a lot of these same guys were around during Boyd's time. But nobody knew this was happening?[/b:abd7db5960]
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My common sense meter tells me if this assumption is to be believed wouldn't it also have been reported that Oil Can constantly pitched high and coked up?
OR....
My assumption is the clubhouse knew or strongly suspected Boyds' drug usage but kept it in house...like they might keep a racist or two and their comments in house...can't have it both ways guys.
If it isn't true, or it has been exaggerated, then you'd expect to hear what we are hearing now...nothing. Nobody wants to be involved in something like this unless they feel strongly one way or another. It's a troublesome accusation, the kind that you have to feel pretty grounded in your stance if you are going to go public.
[b:abd7db5960]We've got the Boston media printing and broadcasting every time a player golfs or eats chicken or drinks a beer, and a lot of these same guys were around during Boyd's time. But nobody knew this was happening?[/b:abd7db5960]
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My common sense meter tells me if this assumption is to be believed wouldn't it also have been reported that Oil Can constantly pitched high and coked up?
OR....
My assumption is the clubhouse knew or strongly suspected Boyds' drug usage but kept it in house...like they might keep a racist or two and their comments in house...can't have it both ways guys.
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by PJ Axelsson » Fri May 11, 2012 1:02 pm
All true, which is why now that the cat is out of the bag, let's hear from the team and the rest of the Red Sox organization. If anyone was going to corroborate this it would be them and/or the media.
Boston media fight each other to throw a player under the bus, so it shouldn't take long. The ratings war here is just the engine to get the truth out.
For the record, it wouldn't surprise me if Boggs did call him that, but not in the frequent manner that Oil Can claims. That's what smells funny to me. I don't have much respect for either guy, they both have warts all over them as far as I'm concerned. Both guys have gone public with crazy claims that make any sane person laugh...and I've heard stories of Boyd and his drug use long before this came out, just like we knew about Boggs drinking cases of beer in a sitting.
Boston media fight each other to throw a player under the bus, so it shouldn't take long. The ratings war here is just the engine to get the truth out.
For the record, it wouldn't surprise me if Boggs did call him that, but not in the frequent manner that Oil Can claims. That's what smells funny to me. I don't have much respect for either guy, they both have warts all over them as far as I'm concerned. Both guys have gone public with crazy claims that make any sane person laugh...and I've heard stories of Boyd and his drug use long before this came out, just like we knew about Boggs drinking cases of beer in a sitting.
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by macnole » Fri May 11, 2012 1:05 pm
[quote:8fa4766976="El-Saltman"]
Sorry to be blunt about it; but think thats waaay off.
IMO;
Hes talking about MLB, commercialism, its effect on the game and its effect on black players or the lack thereof specifically- and the justice system in the US.
Generally speaking, it takes some intelligence to put that forth- Im not debating here weather he is right or not.[/quote:8fa4766976]
Just as bluntly, it takes some intelligence to convey a message effectively. He ain't done it. Clearly.
Sorry to be blunt about it; but think thats waaay off.
IMO;
Hes talking about MLB, commercialism, its effect on the game and its effect on black players or the lack thereof specifically- and the justice system in the US.
Generally speaking, it takes some intelligence to put that forth- Im not debating here weather he is right or not.[/quote:8fa4766976]
Just as bluntly, it takes some intelligence to convey a message effectively. He ain't done it. Clearly.
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by nevdully's » Fri May 11, 2012 1:13 pm
don't mean he is wrong
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by Salty » Fri May 11, 2012 1:15 pm
Racism is still a part of our culture, it just is more subtle now-
and really most of us dont even realize when we are doing it.
Here is something I did when I was a few years younger:
I was trying to describe a beautiful woman who was working with me to an african american friend of mine.
But, instead of just saying she was african-american, I described her by comparing her features to a few other famous black women;
Fortunately, my friend was nice enough to point out to me what I was doing without being overly judgemental or condescending- and I actually had to stop and think about why I had done that- and although its not the worse thing in the world, hopefully, its not something to repeat.
and really most of us dont even realize when we are doing it.
Here is something I did when I was a few years younger:
I was trying to describe a beautiful woman who was working with me to an african american friend of mine.
But, instead of just saying she was african-american, I described her by comparing her features to a few other famous black women;
Fortunately, my friend was nice enough to point out to me what I was doing without being overly judgemental or condescending- and I actually had to stop and think about why I had done that- and although its not the worse thing in the world, hopefully, its not something to repeat.
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by nevdully's » Fri May 11, 2012 1:16 pm
he could be wrong...the fact that he can't articulate his thoughts well has no bearing on right or wrong
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