[quote:8972860742]It was about how he was not glad that MLB and NLB combined their talent. [b:8972860742]That, uttered by any other white source, would be racist.[/b:8972860742][/quote:8972860742]
Not true at all.
It would be [b:8972860742]"labeled"[/b:8972860742] racist by people like you that judge what its like to be in everyones shoes when you've only been in yours....Now don't get me wrong..it damn well could be racist, probably would be racist...but not necessarily.... But apparently you'd be happy to jump to that conclusion without any context.
And you can't understand him but you know exactly what he means???
He may be "colorful" and "eccentric" ...
by dharmabums » Fri May 11, 2012 5:19 pm
Wow. This thing flared back up again. But like one of those forest fires, that you think are all done, but then some ember somewhere sparks back into life... Metaphorically speaking, of course. :wink:
This issue with Boggs, made me think about how politicians do the walk around the truth thing, by being very specific about what they didn't say and when -- I don't recall ever speaking badly about Philadelphia fans while I was on the Broad Street subway (Philly subway line). That, and how we are inclined to believe or disbelieve people based on half-a**ed preconceptions.
And ya know. We all suffer from both of those.
This issue with Boggs, made me think about how politicians do the walk around the truth thing, by being very specific about what they didn't say and when -- I don't recall ever speaking badly about Philadelphia fans while I was on the Broad Street subway (Philly subway line). That, and how we are inclined to believe or disbelieve people based on half-a**ed preconceptions.
And ya know. We all suffer from both of those.
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by nevdully's » Fri May 11, 2012 5:42 pm
[quote:dc6f5f4c4b]That, and how we are inclined to believe or disbelieve people based on half-a**ed preconceptions.
And ya know. We all suffer from both of those. [/quote:dc6f5f4c4b]
yup.
And ya know. We all suffer from both of those. [/quote:dc6f5f4c4b]
yup.
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by macnole » Fri May 11, 2012 11:50 pm
[quote:1de2bad56a="El-Saltman"]You know I teach teenagers music 4 days/wk- and at first they usually dont get it either.
Then I say something in a slightly different way with maybe an analogy that connects better.
By the end of the year, after they are sick of hearing me, they sound damn good.
The good news is that if you are feeling a bit upset - it means that we are engaged in a dialogue that might lead us somewhere, if not today, then tomorrow.[/quote:1de2bad56a]
That's very subtle. I graduated 6th grade a long time ago. One day, I hope to be as informed as Beer Can Boyd. And you of course.
Then I say something in a slightly different way with maybe an analogy that connects better.
By the end of the year, after they are sick of hearing me, they sound damn good.
The good news is that if you are feeling a bit upset - it means that we are engaged in a dialogue that might lead us somewhere, if not today, then tomorrow.[/quote:1de2bad56a]
That's very subtle. I graduated 6th grade a long time ago. One day, I hope to be as informed as Beer Can Boyd. And you of course.
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by macnole » Fri May 11, 2012 11:52 pm
[quote:af2d3bcb71="nevdully's"][quote:af2d3bcb71]It was about how he was not glad that MLB and NLB combined their talent. [b:af2d3bcb71]That, uttered by any other white source, would be racist.[/b:af2d3bcb71][/quote:af2d3bcb71]
Not true at all.
It would be [b:af2d3bcb71]"labeled"[/b:af2d3bcb71] racist by people like you that judge what its like to be in everyones shoes when you've only been in yours....Now don't get me wrong..it damn well could be racist, probably would be racist...but not necessarily.... But apparently you'd be happy to jump to that conclusion without any context.
And you can't understand him but you know exactly what he means???
[/quote:af2d3bcb71]
You missed the point. IF it WERE so uttered, it WOULD be labeled as racist by the media and the majority of those who heard it, including the NAACP. Guaranteed. If you think otherwise, you live a sheltered existence. A white dude saying "the negro leagues should have remained separate".
Well, of course equal, right? Pfft.
Not true at all.
It would be [b:af2d3bcb71]"labeled"[/b:af2d3bcb71] racist by people like you that judge what its like to be in everyones shoes when you've only been in yours....Now don't get me wrong..it damn well could be racist, probably would be racist...but not necessarily.... But apparently you'd be happy to jump to that conclusion without any context.
And you can't understand him but you know exactly what he means???
[/quote:af2d3bcb71]
You missed the point. IF it WERE so uttered, it WOULD be labeled as racist by the media and the majority of those who heard it, including the NAACP. Guaranteed. If you think otherwise, you live a sheltered existence. A white dude saying "the negro leagues should have remained separate".
Well, of course equal, right? Pfft.
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by nevdully's » Sat May 12, 2012 12:01 am
[quote:78296548d1]IF it WERE so uttered, it WOULD be [b:78296548d1]labeled[/b:78296548d1] as racist by the media and the majority of those who heard it, including the NAACP. Guaranteed.[/quote:78296548d1]
Yup. Exactly what I said...not what you said though. :roll:
I see the problem now. You can't distinguish between something "being racist" and something being "labeled racist".
Yup. Exactly what I said...not what you said though. :roll:
I see the problem now. You can't distinguish between something "being racist" and something being "labeled racist".
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by macnole » Sat May 12, 2012 12:01 am
You know, this reminds me of a performance appraisal I had to give to a young middle manager.
His previous supervisors were very "subtle" about what he needed to do to succeed. He never quite knew what his priorities were, nor that half the things he did revealed a lack of emotional intelligence (in the name of Daniel Goleman) and he was perceived as self-serving.
As I have with the nearly 150 people in my organization, albeit not all of them directly of course, I gave him direct, actionable feedback.
He responded in spades. Complete turnaround. Now a professional who cares for his people, instead of a self serving arse.
Subtleties are for those devoid of courage and hand-wringers.
I don't even want to bring up the obvious racist comments from Nev in the past. Hmmm...do I need to prove it? Nah. Just saying it since it's true from my persepctive. Who needs a basis for their accusations.
His previous supervisors were very "subtle" about what he needed to do to succeed. He never quite knew what his priorities were, nor that half the things he did revealed a lack of emotional intelligence (in the name of Daniel Goleman) and he was perceived as self-serving.
As I have with the nearly 150 people in my organization, albeit not all of them directly of course, I gave him direct, actionable feedback.
He responded in spades. Complete turnaround. Now a professional who cares for his people, instead of a self serving arse.
Subtleties are for those devoid of courage and hand-wringers.
I don't even want to bring up the obvious racist comments from Nev in the past. Hmmm...do I need to prove it? Nah. Just saying it since it's true from my persepctive. Who needs a basis for their accusations.
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by nevdully's » Sat May 12, 2012 12:04 am
[quote:4c970c39c4]Subtleties are for those devoid of courage and hand-wringers.
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Wow.
What an ***
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Wow.
What an ***
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