T I hear ya but it statements like this that drives one crazy.
[quote:6e68d82b17]The transition's a hefty weekend task, though, so it's not like I can flip a switch the minute I get home from the hospital. SOM said "indefinitely" because they wanted to make sure I was really ok (which wasn't immediately clear) and because [b:6e68d82b17]the last thing they want is to announce another date and have to change it again.[/b:6e68d82b17] [/quote:6e68d82b17]
[i:6e68d82b17]and again.[/i:6e68d82b17]
So us "not in the know about IT" take this to mean the next launch date is firm.
The countdown is on
by nevdully's » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:06 pm
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by katzenjammer » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:09 pm
[quote:f25f873955="El-Saltman"][quote:f25f873955="johnnyblazers"]A lot of you guys are just a bunch of silly a$$holes with nothing to do but complain about the most petty **** imaginable - the site will come up when it comes up - until then, get a FFing life![/quote:f25f873955]
why, I do declare- Martha- the dogs gotten into the cannabis again[/quote:f25f873955]
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"
why, I do declare- Martha- the dogs gotten into the cannabis again[/quote:f25f873955]
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"
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by Measured Mayhem » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:16 pm
[quote:391a27ea36="johnnyblazers"]A lot of you guys are just a bunch of silly a$$holes with nothing to do but complain about the most petty **** imaginable - the site will come up when it comes up - until then, get a FFing life![/quote:391a27ea36]
May I ask how long you are willing to wait for the site? Is a day fine? A week? A month? A year? If the new site takes a whole year more to be finished would you just wait because "the site comes up when it comes up" I assure you that you will have a point in which you will begin to "complain"
If you are not willing to wait for the site indefinitely then it doesn't sound like you are making any sort of principle stand on this issue. You are just extrapolating your personal preferences onto everybody else. What ever time you can tolerate the site being late is what everybody else should tolerate too.
Once again my issue, and I think its the same with many others, isn't necessarily the work on the site being "slow" but rather the constant missing of deadlines and launch dates. I hear the tech background guys saying this is unpredictable and it should be understood. And if this were the 1 occurrence of a deadline being missed then people would be more understanding. However, a vast number of deadlines have been missed before and sometimes very wildly. Remember the monthly batch of new cards and its "launch date." If I recall correctly new batches of cards per month started coming 3 months after they were promised.
As I said before,I dont believe the problems lies so much in bernieh or whoever and the pace of their work but rather with the poor estimates of launch dates. Its not that big a deal but Its sort of interesting how they just keep having it occur over and over again.
May I ask how long you are willing to wait for the site? Is a day fine? A week? A month? A year? If the new site takes a whole year more to be finished would you just wait because "the site comes up when it comes up" I assure you that you will have a point in which you will begin to "complain"
If you are not willing to wait for the site indefinitely then it doesn't sound like you are making any sort of principle stand on this issue. You are just extrapolating your personal preferences onto everybody else. What ever time you can tolerate the site being late is what everybody else should tolerate too.
Once again my issue, and I think its the same with many others, isn't necessarily the work on the site being "slow" but rather the constant missing of deadlines and launch dates. I hear the tech background guys saying this is unpredictable and it should be understood. And if this were the 1 occurrence of a deadline being missed then people would be more understanding. However, a vast number of deadlines have been missed before and sometimes very wildly. Remember the monthly batch of new cards and its "launch date." If I recall correctly new batches of cards per month started coming 3 months after they were promised.
As I said before,I dont believe the problems lies so much in bernieh or whoever and the pace of their work but rather with the poor estimates of launch dates. Its not that big a deal but Its sort of interesting how they just keep having it occur over and over again.
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by ADRIANGABRIEL » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:23 pm
[quote:a0b9c2bd26="nevdully's"]I would never complain about his site (even though I don't agree with it in principle)[/quote:a0b9c2bd26]
Isn't "I don't agree with it in principle" a...complaint?
Isn't "I don't agree with it in principle" a...complaint?
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by nevdully's » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:29 pm
I didn't think so but I thought 289 was almost 300. So I'll delete it.
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by ADRIANGABRIEL » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:32 pm
So, what is an appropriate emotional response to a "missed promise?"
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by Measured Mayhem » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:34 pm
[quote:c8d3cb9368="Palanion"]JakeBradley, you are not wrong. However, to use your analogy, one does not hire a single person to install the plumbing for an office building.
Yet, TSN always seemed to expect that one man could fix the toilet, put down a new floor, paint the walls, repoint the chimney, do all the landscaping, upgrade the electrical system, install a security system, and field all customer calls.
Blame Bernie for things, yes. But praise him for working in a situation that must be less than ideal.[/quote:c8d3cb9368]
1st, my point wasn't to universally blame bernieh or never credit him for good work. I think on the whole he is a good worker. My point was primarily to attack this notion that he should unequivocally be above criticism as if he were a volunteer. I think the previously cited examples of Adrians DD and Moose's records are good examples of people who are above any criticism because they aren't being paid and anything they provide is gravy. Bernieh however is paid. That doesn't mean he is all too blame and it doesn't mean he can't ever get any sort of blame at all. You also agree with me on this point as you said "blame bernieh for things, yes"
2nd, to address your analogy. Yes its clear bernieh is far from responsible for the entirety of the project like a single plumber working for a plumbing company on a whole office building isn't responsible for the entire project. However, like a concierge isn't responsible for the entire makings and service of a hotel he or she still has to field complaints. He or she doesn't say "talk to the ceo he is the one that decided to go with poor shower heads." Basically we have to complain to somebody and Bernieh is the clear liaison to us, the consumer, from tsn and now strat o matic. Also the impracticality of having to lodge complaints to every single person who bears responsibility for a service is astronomical and would require and a banquet hall.
Yet, TSN always seemed to expect that one man could fix the toilet, put down a new floor, paint the walls, repoint the chimney, do all the landscaping, upgrade the electrical system, install a security system, and field all customer calls.
Blame Bernie for things, yes. But praise him for working in a situation that must be less than ideal.[/quote:c8d3cb9368]
1st, my point wasn't to universally blame bernieh or never credit him for good work. I think on the whole he is a good worker. My point was primarily to attack this notion that he should unequivocally be above criticism as if he were a volunteer. I think the previously cited examples of Adrians DD and Moose's records are good examples of people who are above any criticism because they aren't being paid and anything they provide is gravy. Bernieh however is paid. That doesn't mean he is all too blame and it doesn't mean he can't ever get any sort of blame at all. You also agree with me on this point as you said "blame bernieh for things, yes"
2nd, to address your analogy. Yes its clear bernieh is far from responsible for the entirety of the project like a single plumber working for a plumbing company on a whole office building isn't responsible for the entire project. However, like a concierge isn't responsible for the entire makings and service of a hotel he or she still has to field complaints. He or she doesn't say "talk to the ceo he is the one that decided to go with poor shower heads." Basically we have to complain to somebody and Bernieh is the clear liaison to us, the consumer, from tsn and now strat o matic. Also the impracticality of having to lodge complaints to every single person who bears responsibility for a service is astronomical and would require and a banquet hall.
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by alvarndc » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:35 pm
[quote:8413e21dd4="johnnyblazers"]A lot of you guys are just a bunch of silly a$$holes with nothing to do but complain about the most petty **** imaginable - the site will come up when it comes up - until then, get a FFing life![/quote:8413e21dd4]
What a moronic statement.
Look, this is a question of professionalism, and Strat has failed in epic fashion.
No self respecting business sets a date for opening, then moves it back, then sets it again, then stalls and just leaves it's CUSTOMERS hanging in the breeze.
I wonder how many customers they have lost. Deservedly. Probably lost one here.
What a moronic statement.
Look, this is a question of professionalism, and Strat has failed in epic fashion.
No self respecting business sets a date for opening, then moves it back, then sets it again, then stalls and just leaves it's CUSTOMERS hanging in the breeze.
I wonder how many customers they have lost. Deservedly. Probably lost one here.
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