Strat-O-Matic Baseball 1969

[genegrid]

Dobson started 9 games in '69. There are some good points here. If you are going to limit cards to match real life results then you should limit the number of Games that real starters can miss. Both pitchers and hitters.

[harry lime]

[quote:c130197d10]Why not turn off the injuries on a player when he's missed as many games as he did during the season? [/quote:c130197d10]

And why not turn their HR's off when they hit as many as they hit that year.

I don't think anyone is looking for exact replicas of seasons. Injuries are luck, both in real life and in SOM. A player who never missed a game can't get injured, players who played most of the year have very few chances for injury and players who spent the better part of the year on the DL have lots of injury chances-- this way we get a somewhat realstic injury occurence. I understand it's not perfect, but it does what it intends.

They have a fine line to walk on a lot of these cards because of the limited control we have. If we had usage limits you could have a lot more leeway, but that would be really hard to implement.

In order to make this particular online game work, they will occasionaly have to make some calls on some of these cards. If you are that much of a purist, then I don't think the TSN online version should work well for you anyway.

[RiggoDrill]

...well, not really. :wink:

I think this is an adjustment for some quirks in SOM's gaming system.

A) going way back to the early days when the cards sets only had about 20 players per team almost any pitchers was given an "S" endurance rating if he started more than 1 game. Thus guys who were primarily relievers were often rated to start.

B) SOM developed the CD-ROM version of the game in the mid-90s. Since the major league baseball had developed [b:a3a87979b4]bullpens based on specialized relief pitcher usage[/b:a3a87979b4] by that time, SOM's game engine was designed around the modern concept of the bullpen.

The disconnect is that back in 1969 there was no such thing as specialized roles for relief pitchers. For example, term "Closer" did not come into regular parlance until the 20 years later.

Anyway, for the online version of the '69 season, TSN has to make the older card set work with the SOM game engine. Before the late 70s there were very few "Pure" relief pitchers (i.e., pitchers who were used exclusively in the pen and NEVER started). I think the adjustment here is to allow pitchers like [b:a3a87979b4]Clay Carroll[/b:a3a87979b4] who had long careers as relief pitchers to be priced and used as relievers.

I don't see a problem with this. I mean, c'mon - it's not like there's a shortage of good starting pitchers in 1969... :P

[geekor]

I actually think that's what irks me the most. The fact that they force the 69 year into the 200x mold. I wanted this year, as to have it be a different creature than what I'm used to. Instead we get stuck with 200-69. The 05 Game with different cards is all. That is not what the 69 year was, as Riggo pointed out, it was nothing like the game today. If they are going to being back old years, just one year like this, they need to keep that year [b:47bc8d3f53]as it was[/b:47bc8d3f53]. I won't put money into something they bastardize to fit their mold. They need to create a new mold instead.

[harry lime]

[quote:52e6337c1f]I feel really bad for those people who have memories of those pitchers coming in to make emergency starts and saving their team, and now not being able to use them as such. [/quote:52e6337c1f]

But if they let them start and priced them accordingly, they still wouldn't get used as such. They would get 34-40 starts. That's more unrealstic IMO.

Without usage limits, these kind of calls need to be made. It may not be a perfect replica of the '69 season. But there is lots in this TSn version that is unrealstic.

[IM Bacchus]

TSN had simply gone with mystery card "Back to the 60's"..... just kidding...... I swear..... :wink:
Seriously though, Strat creates the cards, not TSN. Bernie and the boys may have some input in regards to the salaries and all, but this is Strat's call. Folks are really getting their panties in a bunch over a relatively minor issue here. I can only shake my head when I read all the chest thumping over whether I guy who started 3 games should have a chance at being a 20 game winner. If that were to happen, THEN you would here some chest thumping. It would be called "THE SUPER STARTER CONTROVERSY!!" Take a deep breath, count to ten, and repeat after me.... it is only a game, it is only a game, it is only a game.
IM Bacchus

[RiggoDrill]

[quote:47871f7492]I actually think that's what irks me the most. The fact that they force the 69 year into the 200x mold... Instead we get stuck with 200-69. The 05 Game with different cards is all.[/quote:47871f7492]
Well, then you have to call SOM - they're the ones who create the game engine. TSN has to adjust to what they get from SOM and I think the do a pretty good job at that.

...and let's give some credit where it's due. Another [i:47871f7492]Adjustment [/i:47871f7492]TSN made was to reduce the roster requirement for pitchers from 10 to 9. This accurately reflects the fact that teams carried fewer pitchers back then. [b:47871f7492]Good call TSN[/b:47871f7492].

I don't agree with your argument that we're "stuck with 200-69". It's all about the cards and these are VERY different cards. The game is going to play like 1969 because the cards are the '69 cards.

[quote:47871f7492]it is only a game, it is only a game, it is only a game.
IM Bacchus[/quote:47871f7492]Amen to that! 8)

[MICHAELTARBELL]

I CAN'T WAIT to begin!! All my old hero's....man, it will be cool!!! 8) :wink:

[Coffeeholic]

Ditto on the "this is way cool" sentiment! :D

Question for you though Bernie: Why the change in roster requirements ( only 9 pitchers but 24 total players)?

[FRANKMANSUETO]

Mike, U were 45 in '69 weren't U? :lol: