2006 Beat the Boss Draft Thread

[CHARLESBELL]

Guys, I don't really care one way or the other so I'm voting reverse draft just so we can have a majority vote and get started.

1. mikesblues -
2. Lumbercompanysouth - Serpentine like every other serpentine draft I ever have been in was implied.
3. BD Bruisers - New Draw
4. bobm1007 -New Draw
5. bunbury -
6. charliewb - Reverse draft order
7. BigAlric - what lumber said!
8. Sacramento Yankees - Reverse Draft Order
9. JAMIE399 - Reverse Draft order or combined Salary
10. etdefender - Reverse Draft order
11. djl3737 - Reverse Draft order / New draw
12. Cummings2 - Reverse Draft order

Also agree we should get some of the other little details out of the way as well.
Parks: must use a park from one of the two teams drafted
Cap: $100M
Divisions: 1,4,7,10 rule is familiar and easy, let's stay with that
Drops: 5/10/20 - sure , why not

[DENNISTUMBERG]

Additional voting items (what charlie said):

Parks: must use a park from one of the two teams drafted
Cap: $100M
Divisions: 1,4,7,10 rule is familiar and easy, let's stay with that
Drops: 5/10/20 - sure , why not (I have never used this before, it would be fun to try.)

And just to double check. My understanding is that we cannot trade away any members of our original team, but we can trade any of the 5 players we get in the supplemental draft, right??

Also wanted to check on divisions - I am assuming we will use the original draw for the 1, 4, 7, 10, so we should know the divisions already, right?

[CHARLESBELL]

I went back and looked at what old info I had from past BTB seasons (nothing about how we drafted the 5 FAs though and I don't remember). A couple of points, though, about maintaining the required number and type of players on the team. Trading in particular generated a lot of questions which I'll try to cover for discussion (and trading original team players was allowed in prior BTB seasons):

Player Requirements (Mike's rules)
25 player minimum
10 players from each team minimum (I think we called these franchise players)
5 players max drafted from undrafted teams only (Yankees, Rockies, Royals, Dodgers, Giants, Devil Rays) - in prior seasons we called these our "Allstars"

* All franchise players on the drafted teams are yours and cannot be acquired by another team by any means other than trade
* Players in the FA pool who belong to undrafted teams are fair game to be drafted as Allstars, but you can NEVER have more than 5 on your team at any time (this mean waivers, frenzy, preseason, etc) - this ensures that none of us horde extra undrafted players prior to the start of the season.
* The 10 franchise player minimum from each drafted team must be met at the time the season starts and maintained throughout the season, but during pre-season you don't have to maintain it as you move players around, trade, etc. (ie, no problem having 7 from one team and 13 from another as long as it gets fixed to 10/10 min by opening day, and stays fixed during the season).
* Allstars dropped into the FA pool become fair game for anyone else to grab. Only players from your original drafted teams are protected.

Trading specifics:

* If you trade a franchise player for another franchise player, the acquired player will be counted as a franchise player and will be assigned to one of the two teams.
* Allstars are always allstars, so if you trade a franchise player for an allstar, (1) the team gaining the allstar must count him as an allstar; (2) the team gaining the franchise player will count him as a franchise player and assign him to one of the two teams.
* IMPORTANT - Players that get assigned the franchise label as a result of a trade can be traded again using the same rules above. However, if an assigned franchise player is dropped, that player again becomes the property of his ORIGINAL team and again becomes a PROTECTED player by that team. Assigned franchise players as a result of trades revert back to the original team which owned them if you drop them to the FA pool.

An example:
Charlie - franchise teams A (10 players) and B (11 players), Allstars (5), 26 total players
Mike - franchise teams C (10) and D (10), allstars (5), 25 total players

Example #1: Charlie trades 2 franchise players and 1 allstar to Mike for 1 franchise player and 1 allstar. The allstars are one for one and both teams still have 5 after the trade so that works. Charlie gives up 2 B players, leaving him with 9, and so assigns the player received from Mike to team B to bring that number back up to 10. Mike gave up a C player and so assigns one player to C and elects to assign the other to D, giving him 10 C and 11 D at the end of the trade.

Example #2: Mike trades 2 allstars to Charlie for 1 allstar and 1 B franchise player. Charlie ends up with 10 each A/B players and 5 allstars, Mike ends up with 10 C and 11 D, and 4 allstars. How could this work? Charlie would have to drop one of his allstars before making this deal. You can probably work out the rest.

Example #3: ET trades a franchise player to Mike. Mike then later trades this player to Charlie. Charlie then later decides to drop the player. Once in the FA pool, the player reverts back to ET and ET again owns all rights to him.

If I've got this wrong holler. Either way I'm sure this is going to raise questions so fire away now before we start wheeling and dealing.

[cummings2]

Gravy, so it seems settled then.

The order for the first round supplemental draft is as follows:

1. Cummings2 -
2. djl3737 -
3. etdefender -
4. JAMIE399 -
5. Sacramento Yankees -
6. BigAlric -
7. charliewb -
8. bunbury -
9. bobm1007 -
10. BD Bruisers -
11. Lumbercompanysouth -
12. mikesblues -

This would be serpentine"d" through the rest of the supplemental draft.

Thanks guys for the prompt responses and the earnest desire to be fair and get this going.

So now, the few remaining kinks:

Cap: 100 Mil
Frenzy
Park from one of two franchises
Divisions 1,4,7,10 etc...
Drops: 5/10/20

From the original rules posted:

1. 10 players from each team must be on the 25 man roster.
2. The remainig teams players are selected in a 5 round live draft. Yankee players can be selected from this pool.
3. Players of the two teams selected are yours, the extras are in "AAA" and can be brought up at anytime. If you drop any of the 5 players that you drafted they are fair game and can be claimed by anyone.

As far as trading players from your franchises, I say it's cool as long as you keep a minimum of 20 players frm both your franchises, at least that how's it's been done in my previous franchise-themed leagues.

Divisions:

East:
mikesblues
bobm1007
BigAlric
etdefender

Central
Lumbercompanysouth
bunbury
Sacramento Yankees
djl3737

West
BD Bruisers
charliewb
JAMIE399
Cummings2

Seems like the little kinks, Cap, divisions, etc...will be quick to settle, please chime in with some thoughts so we can get things going

[cummings2]

Thanks Charlie :D

We were posting at the same time so I just now read your post. Seems cool with me, thanx for the clarifications. 8)

[DENNISTUMBERG]

I just wanted to remind everyone of the additional rules that were posted after a few questions on the original post.

It looks like it was determined at that time to have the FA drops penalty at 10%. Are we still going to vote on this or stick with the originals? I guess for me it really doesn't matter. If we are voting I will stick with my original votes.

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Ok here are the answers to the rest of the questions:

1. DH league
2. Stadiums must be one of the two teams selected
3. Team name must be a combination of the two...ex: St. Louis Rockies
4. We will live draft after we can fill the league....Probably the following day after we can get enough people on the list
5. I was leaning toward a 100 mil. cap, but I am open if you guys would like a bigger one, or a smaller one
6. The penalty for FA drops will be 10%

Anymore questions just post 'em!

[DENNISTUMBERG]

Thanks for the past rules Charlie, those would work for me.

I also just want some clarification (I will use my teams as examples), if I traded for Joe Mauer and designated him as a Florida player, I can't change that at all, can I? What I mean is I can't change him over to a San Diego player if I need an additional San Diego player later? (Unless of course I somehow traded for him again at a later time and redesignated him at that time to San Diego?) :)

[DENNISTUMBERG]

I had forgotten about the 10 per team rule, until it was just mentioned again. I had to scramble and look at my teams to make sure I could still get a full team from my two teams, luckily I think I can. I was thinking 20 total players from your teams. :roll:

I guess it pays to know the rules before you draft. :)

[CHARLESBELL]

[quote:26c9f87f63="BD Bruisers"]Thanks for the past rules Charlie, those would work for me.

I also just want some clarification (I will use my teams as examples), if I traded for Joe Mauer and designated him as a Florida player, I can't change that at all, can I? What I mean is I can't change him over to a San Diego player if I need an additional San Diego player later? (Unless of course I somehow traded for him again at a later time and redesignated him at that time to San Diego?) :)[/quote:26c9f87f63]

That's correct. In past seasons we also announced on league email what team a trade acquired player was being assigned to. That helped everyone keep track of things to avoid mistakes.

If someone does make a mistake and has an illegal roster, then it should be corrected immediately, preferrably by reversing the action that caused the mistake. If that's not possible, then the burden is on the person making the mistake to make his roster legal however he can without using that mistake to gain an unfair advantage.

[DONALDYORK]

charlie i couldn't have said it any better myself...i'm glad you have the gift of gab and could explain that better than me....

sounds settled on the FA drop...i was going to use the 10% rule, but I like the increasing cap rule.....

and just to get things going, i'm going to vote for whatever the majority is....i'm going to have to figure out what i'm going to do at a couple positions anyway, so whatever the majority is for the FA draft is fine by me, just ready to start rockin and a rollin! :)