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Postby jdmercha » Mon May 08, 2006 1:24 pm

You can't pick it one way or the other. You need to have some balance. And it also depends on your park. I normally look at BA, OB and SLG. First I want two guys with OB over .375. Preferably over .400 with an AA or A steal rating. Then I want three more guys with SLG over .500. And I look for the highest BA available. I fill out the roster with the highest BA with an OB over .350. And preferably over .400 slugging. This rarely works out perfectly, but it is the guideline I use.

Most of the time I'll be in the top 4 in runs scored, while being in the middle of runs given up. I'll most often lead the league in BA and be in the top 4 in OB. But I'm normally down around he middle in SLG.
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Postby MARCPELLETIER » Mon May 08, 2006 2:33 pm

[quote:0da38e0aeb]You can't pick it one way or the other. You need to have some balance[/quote:0da38e0aeb]

I disagree with this statement. If you go with Kaufmann, I believe that you should have one slugger max, perhaps two max. But you should not go for "balance"; you should go for an all-out on-base team. My 105-57 team which I posted the link above had Bonds, but he was the only slugger. I finished 10th in slugging, but 1st in on-base, and finished close to the top for runs scored. I replicated these stats with the 88-74 team (actually, was 9th for slugging and 1st for on-base). This last team was actually 11th for ISO (isolated power, the real stat we should be looking for when we talk of slugging).

If you go with Coors, or with a neutral stadium, then yes I agree, you need some balance.

The reason you should be looking for on-base in Coors is because you have to take full advantage of the numerous homeruns that you will be hitting. You have to create an environment where you will hit many multi-runs homeruns. Another reason is, when calculating the linear weights of outs, one can find out that outs cost the most in Coors. Of course, Coors also have high ballpark ratings for homeruns. Hence, offensively, you should be looking for high-onbase, high slugging cards.

If I am right, then you should be looking for on-base in Kauffman and in Coors, whereas you should look for slugging in Coors but not in Kauffman. This is one reason why I agree with the statement that on-base is more important than slugging.
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Postby bleacher_creature » Mon May 08, 2006 2:59 pm

Great comments. I'm not sure I can add much.

I'd like to know if we can find a Petco freak out there who is running off championships. Show thyself. No photos please.

One "winning strategy" I tried on my first team, but I don't think I had the know how at the time to pull it off, was to take a low HR park, but load up on HR hitters! These should have been natural HR guys of course, but I think I screwed up on that a little.

Obviously you would want OB guys at 1 and 2 at a bare minimum. Perhaps some clutch/BA guys 6 or 7 thru 9.

This still emphasizes SLG though, and part of the overall point is to say that YOU MUST HAVE XBH's (even if they are DOUBLES) in order to RACK UP some runs. At least end up middle of the pack.
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Postby MARCPELLETIER » Mon May 08, 2006 3:11 pm

There is one point that must be considered though.

It seems to me that this year is different than previous years in that the overpaid superstars are players with high on-base, lower slugging. This is different from previous years where the overpaid players used to be sluggers.

According to my ratings, Roberts and Giles are among the top overpaid players above 8M, along with Clemens and Pujols and Lee. Just to test this, I tried a team that had high on-base, low slugging, with a team that had Roberts, Giles, and Clemens. Clemens, for one, is struggling: good stats, but not dominating, with a 9-8 record. As a consequence, I am last in my division with a 39-45 record. Offensively, I am last in slugging, and only 4th in on-base, and 9th in overall runs scored.

Bottom line: you first must make sure that you have quality players in your club.
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Postby geekor » Mon May 08, 2006 6:33 pm

here is a quick recap of my current 06 leagues that are at least half way done:

leauge 1:
1st in runs - 1st in OBP - 6th in SLG - PNC
2nd in runs (1 behind) - 4th in OBP - 1st in SLG - BOB
3rd in runs (8 behind) - 2nd in OBP - 3rd in SLG - MM

league 2:
1st in runs - 1st in OBP - 1st in SLG - Rogers C (ahead by a mile in all cats)
2nd - 6th in OBP - 3rd in SLG - Rogers C
3rd - 2nd in OBP - 2nd in SLG - Coors

league 3:
1st in runs - 1st in OBP - 1st in SLG - Coors
2nd in runs - 2nd in OBP - 2nd in SLG - MM
3rd (1 behind 2nd) - 5th in OBP - 5ht (tie) in SLG - turner

league 4:
1st in runs - 1st in obp - 2nd in SLG - US Cell
2nd - 7th in obp - 1st in SLG - AmeriQ
3rd (3 behind 2) - 2nd in OBP - 4th in SLG - Shea

league 5:
1st in runs - 1st in obp - 1st in slg - Coors (by a mile in all cats)
2nd - 2nd - 2nd - Coors
3rd - 5th in obp - 3rd in slg - BOB

league 6:
1st in runs - 2nd in obp - 1st in slg - Coors
2nd in runs - 4th in bop - 4th in SLG - Turner
3rd - 1st in obp - 9th in SLG - Jacobs

leauge 7:
1st in runs - 6th in obp (tied) - 1st in SLG - Coors
2nd (7 back) - 3rd in obp - 2nd in slg - GAB
2nd (tied) - 1st in obp - 4th in slg - BOB

not sure if any of this helps :P
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