MLB.com AllTime Latino Team
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by gamiam » Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:45 pm
Stolen bases are of very little strategic importance in this era IMO, especially at 68%. He makes base running errors creating outs. When all you have to offer is home runs, 33 for a right fielder in a hitter's park in a hitter's era does not make him a valuable player compared to other right fielders. I truly don't believe he moves his teams any closer to winning than a league average player, and he would be near the bottom of the starting RFs for most of his career. When you factor in that what little value he has is due in large part to cheating, I would classify him as terrible.
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by crackerjaxon » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:41 pm
A-Rod over Aparicio?
Are you all crazy?
There are tons of people who can hit home runs, but none who could play shortstop like Aparicio.
Are you all crazy?
There are tons of people who can hit home runs, but none who could play shortstop like Aparicio.
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by crackerjaxon » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:43 pm
Sosa was a pretty good fielder with good speed and a cannon arm.
He could steal a base, too.
He could steal a base, too.
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by The Last Druid » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:11 pm
Aparicio couldn't even touch A-Rods bat. As for defense he couldn't carry Ozzie's glove either. Hell, in 69 he was only a two and he was far from done as a player.
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by Risden » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:30 pm
Sosa's a joke. Hopefully, he can be the Dave Kingman of the 600+ HR Club and be ignored by the HOF Voters. Doubtful, but one can hope.
In my mind, clearly the greatest of all steroid abusers in MLB history, he was NEVER NEVER NEVER a good defensive player - missed the cut-off man at least twice a week. Powerful arm? Yes. Good defensive player? Not on your life.
In my mind, clearly the greatest of all steroid abusers in MLB history, he was NEVER NEVER NEVER a good defensive player - missed the cut-off man at least twice a week. Powerful arm? Yes. Good defensive player? Not on your life.
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by FAaron » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:08 am
As great a fielder as Aparicio was, he was not the dominant player of his generation that A-Rod is. I know a lot of folks dislike A-Rod and think he is a pretty boy, but he can do it all. I'm a Mets fan and still wish they'd picked him in '01 when they had the chance.
Poor Slammin' Sammy. Just a few years ago he was one of the most popular players in baseball. Now, most folks act like he was the one busted for 'roids, not his teammate Raffy.
Poor Slammin' Sammy. Just a few years ago he was one of the most popular players in baseball. Now, most folks act like he was the one busted for 'roids, not his teammate Raffy.
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by MATTSCHMIDT » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:06 am
[quote:64bc6864f5="harry lime"]I don't think they have to be from another country-- just of Hispanic origin. In other words-- Latin Americans are Latino too.[/quote:64bc6864f5]
The ballot looks like it is for foreign Latinos only as it lists their native country and there are no American Latinos on the ballot. A-Rod is listed as Dominican.
The ballot looks like it is for foreign Latinos only as it lists their native country and there are no American Latinos on the ballot. A-Rod is listed as Dominican.
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by harry lime » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:22 am
[quote:f144af2afb] When all you have to offer is home runs, 33 for a right fielder in a hitter's park in a hitter's era does not make him a valuable player compared to other right fielders[/quote:f144af2afb]
Well, even ignoring that insane premise- the fact of the matter is-- over that time period he averaged 48 HR's, not 33.
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Stolen bases are of very little strategic importance in this era IMO, especially at 68%. He makes base running errors creating outs. When all you have to offer is home runs, 33 for a right fielder in a hitter's park in a hitter's era does not make him a valuable player[/quote:f144af2afb]
Aren't these kind of contradictory statements? I mean his SB's have no value, his top 10 in the league in HR's have no value. What do you value in offense?
You don't like Sosa and feel he cheated-- fine, there's a very good argument for leaving him off this ballot (I did) but to call him a terrible player just weakens your stance.
Well, even ignoring that insane premise- the fact of the matter is-- over that time period he averaged 48 HR's, not 33.
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Stolen bases are of very little strategic importance in this era IMO, especially at 68%. He makes base running errors creating outs. When all you have to offer is home runs, 33 for a right fielder in a hitter's park in a hitter's era does not make him a valuable player[/quote:f144af2afb]
Aren't these kind of contradictory statements? I mean his SB's have no value, his top 10 in the league in HR's have no value. What do you value in offense?
You don't like Sosa and feel he cheated-- fine, there's a very good argument for leaving him off this ballot (I did) but to call him a terrible player just weakens your stance.
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by harry lime » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:30 am
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The ballot looks like it is for foreign Latinos only as it lists their native country and there are no American Latinos on the ballot. A-Rod is listed as Dominican. [/quote:e11c895e92]
Well, ARod is on the ballot. Nomar is listed as a write in candidate too. I believe Moises Alou was on there too and he was born in Atlanta.
I have friend from El Salvador- he has a son who was born here. That son considers himself El Salvadoran, but is an American citizen. I believ the premise of the vote is those of Hispanic origin, regardless of their birth country.
The ballot looks like it is for foreign Latinos only as it lists their native country and there are no American Latinos on the ballot. A-Rod is listed as Dominican. [/quote:e11c895e92]
Well, ARod is on the ballot. Nomar is listed as a write in candidate too. I believe Moises Alou was on there too and he was born in Atlanta.
I have friend from El Salvador- he has a son who was born here. That son considers himself El Salvadoran, but is an American citizen. I believ the premise of the vote is those of Hispanic origin, regardless of their birth country.
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by harry lime » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:45 am
[quote:d1c98a867d]A-Rod over Aparicio?
Are you all crazy?
There are tons of people who can hit home runs, but none who could play shortstop like Aparicio. [/quote:d1c98a867d]
Maybeif ARod was a complete butcher, you might have a tiny thread to stand on. But ARod's a pretty good fielder himself.
Are you all crazy?
There are tons of people who can hit home runs, but none who could play shortstop like Aparicio. [/quote:d1c98a867d]
Maybeif ARod was a complete butcher, you might have a tiny thread to stand on. But ARod's a pretty good fielder himself.
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