Blue Vs Red Party League - Blue Party Congrats

[CHARLESBELL]

Sign Up List - League full as of 11/15/05

East Div
Red : vol_fan
Red : charlie
Blue : bunbury
Blue :Zimharry

Central Div
Red : CATom
Red : ScoobySnacks
Blue : Cummings2
Blue : Durantjerry

West Div
Red : sjh0825
Red : T.Richardson
Blue : etdefender
Blue : Mr Baseball World

edited to get a replacement
edited to replace novie with mr baseball world
edited to replace penngray with cummings2
edited to replace mocrash with durantjerry
edited to add charlie (me) to the league.
edited to add sjh0825 to the league

[CHARLESBELL]

League Rules:

This is a theme league idea. I'm posting it on the Bullpen forum because I think it would be an interesting challenge for the political core of this board to engage in a little fun competition. I won't call this a Democrat/Liberal leaning Vs Republican/conservative leaning League since I don't want to pigeon hole anyone (and individuals seeking office have always declared their party affiliation as they see fit). So it is the Blue Party vs the Red Party, with six teams for each party competing against each other. Anyone is allowed to sign up for either party.

Each party will have their own player pool. Blue's player pool will be all players who were born in states won by John Kerry in 2004, while Red's players will all be born in states won by George Bush. That of course means that players not born in a US state (or DC) are not eligible.

I am in the process of identifying the player pools for both parties. If there are a shortage of players or balance problems I'll look at how to mitigate that, which those interested in participating can help with.

Since we are talking politics here, it will of course be a $200M 2005 autodraft waiver league with DH.

The rules are very simple:
* Divisions will include two each red and blue teams
* Players choose their party and division on a first-come-first-served basis
* Stadiums do not have to be unique, but they must come from a state your party won
* Stadiums do not have to be declared until all teams are ready to enter the league
* Only players in the appropriate pool may be selected in the autodraft and during waivers
* Trading between teams in the same party can be done at any time
* Trading between teams in different parties is ok once waivers are complete
* Trading between team in different parties may be done pre-waivers ONLY IF the purpose is to get to a "pure" roster; ie, replacing players not in your pool you may have gotten in the autodraft (which means at least one player in that trade should be a blue players moving from a red team to blue or a red player moving from a blue team to red)
* Trading is the ONLY way for a team to acquire players from the other parties pool. At no time can a red team, for example, get a blue player from the FA pool. A blue team would have to acquire that player and then trade him to the red team. (rule clarification added 10/4)
* Collusion among players in the same party is AOK. As long as TSN rules and the rules set down here are not broken, players in the same party can share draft lists, cooperate on trades, work together on waivers, etc. It can be as loose or as regimented as the players in each party want it to be. Some restrictions:
* No player can be traded more than once between teams in the same party once the season starts (to prevent constant movement of players)
* There is no arbitration process outside whatever each party agrees to internally or enforcement of any deals/rules made by the parties (ie, I'm not getting in the middle of any internal party disagreements)
* Uh, can't think of any others

Winning:

President of the League (and bragging rights) is awarded to the winner of the Championship.

Blue Vs Red Party League Champion is awarded to the party which wins the highest number of regular season games.

Note that the above titles could be roughly equivalent to winning the Presidency and to winning control of Congress.

[CHARLESBELL]

Once we finalize I'll post the list of players for both pools here.

I've completed the list for all the hitters. I used the Ratings disk list of names to match birthplace to TSN players, and a list I found on the web of ballplayer birthplace information that gave me about 85% of the match. The rest I looked up in the online baseball encyclopedia. A couple of disclaimers. I'll fix any errors that are found before the draft. But I'll add a rule that once we agree to the list it is final even if errors are found later. Also, birthplaces for latin players often consist of mulitple elements (try "Santa Cruz de Barahona Santo Domingo" - Luis Terrero), Excel doesn't sort those too well, and country was not always provided. If we decide to use some or all of those players then the data I have right now is incomplete.

The raw numbers work out as follows (USA born players only):

Blue Player pool (hitters) = 192
Red Player pool (hitters) = 152

Since 6 teams with 15 hitters = 90 players, the pools are big enough to support a draft.

Obviously we need to even up the pools and there is a lot of ways we could do it. Here is my suggestion and welcome any other suggestions for the group to consider:

Since California south of LA is more Red than Blue, there are 15 players in that part of the state that could move from Blue to Red. That would give Blue 177 and Red 167. That is the sensible part of the equation. Since no election would be complete without equal part nonsense, I suggest that the 8 Canadian and 2 Japanese born players be placed on the Red player pool (red and blue would then be equal at 177 players). Another thought is that instead of adding non-US players, we could divide CA a little further north, which would create a move of 4 Riverside players from Blue to Red, giving a breakdown of 173 Blue and 171 Red, which could be close enough. Riverside County is a Blue county, so this would also be nonsense, although both sides might want to check out just who, born in Riverside, would be affected by such a move. Anyone know?

Weigh in with your comments. I think we should have an agreement on how the hitters will be divided before I share the list of names.

10/3/2005: Here is the complete list of hitters by Party. I made the following adjustments to the lists so that both parties would have the same size pool to draw from.

* 15 players from Southern California was moved from Blue to Red
* 7 Canadian and 3 from San Juan, PR were added to Red

I backed off from adding the Japanese players as Ichiro and Hideki would likely be controversial, just as I didn't include Riverside, CA among Southern California players moving from Blue to Red (Barry Bonds being one of them). Also note that there are other Puerto Rico players, but only three on my list as being born in San Juan.

It's not perfect, but I am sticking with these lists unless there is VERY good reason to change. Pool size is 177 hitters for each party. And for those interested, the total salary is about $407M for Red and $419M for Blue.

BLUE Hitters Pool

NUM LAST FIRST BIRTHPACE2 PRICE
1 Anderson Garret California $1,860,000
2 Aurilia Rich New York $560,000
3 Ausmus Brad Connecticut $660,000
4 Bagwell Jeff Massachusetts $3,400,000
5 Baldelli Rocco Rhode Island $3,310,000
6 Barajas Rod California $1,460,000
7 Bellhorn Mark Massachusetts $3,400,000
8 Belliard Ronnie New York $4,230,000
9 Bennett Gary Illinois $810,000
10 Berg Dave California $500,000
11 Bergeron Peter Massachusetts $500,000
12 Biggio Craig New York $2,690,000
13 Bloomquist Willie Washington $500,000
14 Blum Geoff California $500,000
15 Bonds Barry California $16,020,000
16 Borchard Joe California $500,000
17 Bradley Milton California $3,380,000
18 Bragg Darren Connecticut $500,000
19 Brown Dee New York $500,000
20 Burke Jamie Oregon $3,360,000
21 Burnitz Jeromy California $4,410,000
22 Byrnes Eric California $5,100,000
23 Calloway Ron California $500,000
24 Casey Sean New Jersey $6,700,000
25 Catalanotto Frank New York $680,000
26 Chavez Eric California $4,870,000
27 Church Ryan California $500,000
28 Cirillo Jeff California $500,000
29 Clark Brady Oregon $3,600,000
30 Clayton Royce California $3,620,000
31 Conine Jeff Washington $2,590,000
32 Conti Jason Pennsylvania $500,000
33 Crisp Coco California $3,210,000
34 Crosby Bobby California $2,780,000
35 Daubach Brian Illinois $560,000
36 Davis Ben Pennsylvania $500,000
37 Dejesus David New York $3,190,000
38 Derosa Mark New Jersey $500,000
39 Dobbs Greg California $500,000
40 Dye Jermaine California $3,190,000
41 Easley Damion New York $3,980,000
42 Edmonds Jim California $12,740,000
43 Ensberg Morgan California $1,240,000
44 Estrada Johnny California $3,260,000
45 Fick Robert California $500,000
46 Flaherty John New York $2,200,000
47 Floyd Cliff Illinois $1,970,000
48 Fordyce Brook Connecticut $500,000
49 Fox Andy California $500,000
50 Fullmer Brad California $600,000
51 Garcia Danny California $1,600,000
52 Garciaparra Nomar California $2,670,000
53 Gerut Jody Illinois $1,500,000
54 Giambi Jason California $980,000
55 Gibbons Jay Michigan $580,000
56 Ginter Keith California $3,290,000
57 Glanville Doug New Jersey $500,000
58 Glaus Troy California $4,150,000
59 Gload Ross New York $5,140,000
60 Gomez Chris California $660,000
61 Goodwin Tom California $500,000
62 Grabowski Jason Connecticut $500,000
63 Graffanino Tony New York $860,000
64 Green Shawn Illinois $2,820,000
65 Greene Khalil Pennsylvania $4,360,000
66 Griffey Jr. Ken Pennsylvania $4,120,000
67 Gross Gabe Maryland $500,000
68 Grudzielanek Mark Wisconsin $2,120,000
69 Hairston Jr. Jerry Illinois $3,520,000
70 Hall Toby Washington $870,000
71 Halter Shane Maryland $500,000
72 Hammonds Jeffrey New Jersey $640,000
73 Hansen Dave California $550,000
74 Harris Brendan New York $500,000
75 Harvey Ken California $1,660,000
76 Hatteberg Scott Oregon $3,080,000
77 Hessman Mike California $500,000
78 Higginson Bobby Pennsylvania $1,440,000
79 Hill Bobby California $610,000
80 Hinske Eric Wisconsin $690,000
81 Hocking Denny California $500,000
82 Huckaby Ken California $500,000
83 Hummel Tim New York $500,000
84 Ibanez Raul New York $2,210,000
85 Jacobsen Bucky California $3,950,000
86 Jeter Derek New Jersey $6,860,000
87 Johnson Nick California $1,240,000
88 Johnson Reed California $1,320,000
89 Jordan Brian Maryland $500,000
90 Kapler Gabe California $1,880,000
91 Karros Eric New Jersey $500,000
92 Kennedy Adam California $3,170,000
93 Kent Jeff California $4,370,000
94 Kielty Bobby California $890,000
95 Klesko Ryan California $3,190,000
96 Konerko Paul Rhode Island $4,980,000
97 Kotsay Mark California $5,080,000
98 Laird Gerald California $500,000
99 Laker Tim California $500,000
100 Lamb Mike California $4,710,000
101 Lane Jason California $4,030,000
102 Lankford Ray California $600,000
103 Laroche Adam California $1,640,000
104 Lee Derrek California $5,870,000
105 Lieberthal Mike California $3,180,000
106 Lo Duca Paul New York $3,200,000
107 Loretta Mark California $7,410,000
108 Mabry John Delaware $4,700,000
109 Mackowiak Rob Illinois $1,070,000
110 Magruder Chris Washington $1,470,000
111 Martinez Edgar New York $900,000
112 Martinez Ramon Pennsylvania $680,000
113 Matthews Jr. Gary California $3,200,000
114 Mauer Joe Minnesota $5,130,000
115 Mayne Brent California $500,000
116 McDonald John Connecticut $500,000
117 McEwing Joe Pennsylvania $500,000
118 Melhuse Adam California $1,600,000
119 Mench Kevin Delaware $4,620,000
120 Menechino Frank New York $2,960,000
121 Merloni Lou Massachusetts $690,000
122 Miles Aaron California $850,000
123 Millar Kevin California $4,090,000
124 Miller Damian Wisconsin $2,780,000
125 Moeller Chad California $510,000
126 Nady Xavier California $990,000
127 Nevin Phil California $4,930,000
128 Newhan David California $3,150,000
129 Norton Greg California $500,000
130 Olerud John Washington $1,880,000
131 Overbay Lyle Washington $5,410,000
132 Palmeiro Orlando New Jersey $560,000
133 Pascucci Val California $500,000
134 Paul Josh Illinois $1,360,000
135 Piazza Mike Pennsylvania $2,450,000
136 Piedra Jorge California $2,390,000
137 Pierzynski A.J. New York $1,280,000
138 Pride Curtis DC $500,000
139 Quinlan Robb Minnesota $4,540,000
140 Randa Joe Wisconsin $2,240,000
141 Redmond Mike Washington $840,000
142 Restovich Mike Minnesota $1,890,000
143 Rodriguez Alex New York $8,500,000
144 Rollins Jimmy California $5,550,000
145 Rowand Aaron Oregon $5,470,000
146 Salmon Tim California $500,000
147 Sexson Richie Oregon $3,740,000
148 Sizemore Grady Washington $3,810,000
149 Snow J.T. California $5,990,000
150 Spiezio Scott Illinois $500,000
151 Stynes Chris New York $500,000
152 Surhoff B.J. New York $3,120,000
153 Sweeney Mark Massachusetts $1,520,000
154 Sweeney Mike California $4,110,000
155 Teixeira Mark Maryland $5,890,000
156 Thomas Charles California $3,020,000
157 Thome Jim Illinois $6,560,000
158 Treanor Matt California $510,000
159 Utley Chase California $1,950,000
160 Valent Eric California $990,000
161 Vander Wal John Michigan $500,000
162 Varitek Jason Michigan $5,210,000
163 Ventura Robin California $560,000
164 Vina Fernando California $500,000
165 Walker Todd California $2,390,000
166 Ward Daryle California $950,000
167 Werth Jayson Illinois $2,420,000
168 Wilson Craig California $5,120,000
169 Wilson Dan Illinois $600,000
170 Wilson Jack California $5,090,000
171 Winn Randy California $3,250,000
172 Woodward Chris California $500,000
173 Wooten Shawn California $500,000
174 Young Eric New Jersey $960,000
175 Young Michael California $4,470,000
176 Zaun Gregg California $2,140,000
177 Zeile Todd California $680,000

RED Hitters Pool

NUM LAST FIRST BIRTHPACE2 PRICE
1 Allen Chad Texas $500,000
2 Alou Moises Georgia $4,690,000
3 Anderson Marlon Alabama $500,000
4 Baerga Carlos San Juan, PR $500,000
5 Bako Paul Louisiana $500,000
6 Barmes Clint California $1,960,000
7 Barrett Michael Georgia $3,410,000
8 Bay Jason British Columbia $4,740,000
9 Bell David Ohio $3,290,000
10 Berkman Lance Texas $8,860,000
11 Bigbie Larry Indiana $1,500,000
12 Blake Casey Iowa $4,790,000
13 Blalock Hank California $4,230,000
14 Boone Bret California $4,490,000
15 Borders Pat Ohio $500,000
16 Branyan Russell Georgia $3,630,000
17 Broussard Ben Texas $5,840,000
18 Buchanan Brian Florida $500,000
19 Buck John Wyomming $1,920,000
20 Burrell Pat Arkansas $1,690,000
21 Burroughs Sean Georgia $1,630,000
22 Byrd Marlon Florida $500,000
23 Cameron Mike Georgia $3,790,000
24 Cantu Jorge Texas $4,160,000
25 Carroll Jamey Indiana $4,070,000
26 Cash Kevin Florida $500,000
27 Cepicky Matt Missouri $500,000
28 Clark Howie California $500,000
29 Clark Tony Kansas $1,860,000
30 Closser J.D. Indiana $2,640,000
31 Cota Humberto Colorado $1,370,000
32 Counsell Craig Indiana $620,000
33 Crawford Carl Texas $4,820,000
34 Crede Joe Missouri $1,020,000
35 Crosby Bubba Texas $500,000
36 Cruz Jacob California $500,000
37 Cuddyer Mike Virginia $1,400,000
38 Damon Johnny Kansas $6,180,000
39 Davanon Jeff California $2,020,000
40 Dellucci David Louisiana $1,320,000
41 Devore Doug Ohio $500,000
42 Drew J.D. Georgia $9,700,000
43 Dunn Adam Texas $6,430,000
44 Durham Ray North Carolina $4,070,000
45 Eckstein David Florida $1,690,000
46 Erstad Darin North Dakota $3,360,000
47 Everett Adam Georgia $2,570,000
48 Everett Carl Florida $550,000
49 Figgins Chone Georgia $2,850,000
50 Finley Steve Tennessee $5,040,000
51 Ford Lew Texas $4,450,000
52 Freel Ryan Florida $2,430,000
53 Freeman Choo Arkansas $500,000
54 Garcia Jesse Texas $550,000
55 Gathright Joey Mississippi $500,000
56 Giles Brian California $5,100,000
57 Giles Marcus California $4,880,000
58 Gonzalez Alex S. Florida $610,000
59 Gonzalez Luis Florida $1,790,000
60 Green Andy Kentucky $500,000
61 Green Nick Florida $1,880,000
62 Greene Todd Georgia $2,240,000
63 Grieve Ben Texas $750,000
64 Grissom Marquis Georgia $2,620,000
65 Guiel Aaron British Columbia $500,000
66 Gutierrez Ricky Florida $500,000
67 Hafner Travis North Dakota $8,090,000
68 Hairston Scott Texas $2,170,000
69 Hall Bill Mississippi $500,000
70 Hammock Robby Georgia $720,000
71 Harris Lenny Florida $500,000
72 Harris Willie Georgia $2,120,000
73 Hawpe Brad Texas $500,000
74 Helms Wes North Carolina $540,000
75 Helton Todd Tennessee $12,180,000
76 Hillenbrand Shea Arizona $2,560,000
77 Hollandsworth Todd Ohio $3,990,000
78 Holliday Matt Oklahoma $2,420,000
79 Hudson Orlando South Carolina $4,110,000
80 Huff Aubrey Ohio $3,440,000
81 Hunter Torii Arkansas $5,200,000
82 Inge Brandon Virginia $3,100,000
83 Johnson Charles Florida $2,300,000
84 Jones Chipper Florida $2,680,000
85 Jones Jacque California $1,420,000
86 Kata Matt Ohio $1,590,000
87 Kearns Austin Kentucky $930,000
88 Kendall Jason California $4,600,000
89 Keppinger Jeff Florida $2,980,000
90 Kotchman Casey Florida $500,000
91 Kroeger Josh Iowa $500,000
92 Krynzel Dave Ohio $500,000
93 Larkin Barry Ohio $1,400,000
94 Larson Brandon Texas $500,000
95 Larue Jason Texas $2,650,000
96 Lawton Matt Mississippi $2,010,000
97 Lecroy Matt South Carolina $1,590,000
98 Leone Justin Nevada $770,000
99 Lofton Kenny Indiana $600,000
100 Logan Nook Mississippi $2,070,000
101 Long Terrence Alabama $1,460,000
102 Lowell Mike San Juan, PR $6,690,000
103 Ludwick Ryan Florida $540,000
104 Martinez Tino Florida $2,960,000
105 Matheny Mike Ohio $800,000
106 McCarty Dave Texas $1,130,000
107 McCracken Quinton North Carolina $770,000
108 McGriff Fred Florida $500,000
109 McKay Cody British Columbia $500,000
110 McLemore Mark California $510,000
111 McMillon Billy New Mexico $500,000
112 Michaels Jason Florida $2,300,000
113 Mientkiewicz Doug Ohio $680,000
114 Mirabelli Doug Arizona $5,070,000
115 Mohr Dustan Mississippi $5,150,000
116 Monroe Craig Texas $3,180,000
117 Mordecai Mike Alabama $500,000
118 Morneau Justin British Columbia $4,620,000
119 Mueller Bill Missouri $2,400,000
120 Munson Eric California $670,000
121 Nix Laynce Texas $920,000
122 Nixon Trot North Carolina $2,840,000
123 Olson Tim North Dakota $500,000
124 Patterson Corey Georgia $4,060,000
125 Payton Jay Ohio $930,000
126 Pellow Kit Missouri $530,000
127 Perry Herbert Florida $500,000
128 Phelps Josh Alaska $1,260,000
129 Phillips Jason California $600,000
130 Pierre Juan Alabama $4,860,000
131 Podsednik Scott Texas $580,000
132 Pond Simon British Columbia $500,000
133 Pratt Todd Nebraska $1,880,000
134 Punto Nick California $540,000
135 Raines Jr Tim Tennessee $510,000
136 Ransom Cody Arizona $1,750,000
137 Redman Tike Alabama $860,000
138 Reese Pokey South Carolina $1,110,000
139 Relaford Desi Georgia $500,000
140 Rios Alexis Alabama $1,360,000
141 Roberts Brian North Carolina $3,620,000
142 Robinson Kerry Missouri $830,000
143 Rolen Scott Indiana $11,050,000
144 Rolls Damian Kansas $500,000
145 Ross Dave Georgia $500,000
146 Sanders Reggie South Carolina $3,350,000
147 Schneider Brian Florida $1,950,000
148 Segui David Kansas $1,610,000
149 Sheffield Gary Florida $5,640,000
150 Shelton Chris Utah $500,000
151 Sledge Terrmel North Carolina $2,610,000
152 Smith Jason Mississippi $1,210,000
153 Snyder Chris Texas $2,790,000
154 Spencer Shane Florida $1,930,000
155 Spivey Junior Oklahoma $2,720,000
156 Stairs Matt New Brunswick $2,170,000
157 Stewart Shannon Ohio $2,790,000
158 Swisher Nick West Virginia $1,900,000
159 Thames Marcus Mississippi $2,590,000
160 Thomas Frank Georgia $3,820,000
161 Tracy Chad North Carolina $590,000
162 Tucker Michael Virginia $1,360,000
163 Upton B.J. Virginia $1,650,000
164 Walker Larry British Columbia $5,820,000
165 Wells Vernon Louisiana $4,760,000
166 White Rondell Georgia $2,240,000
167 Wigginton Ty California $1,150,000
168 Wilkerson Brad Kentucky $5,940,000
169 Williams Bernie San Juan, PR $1,230,000
170 Williams Gerald Louisiana $1,740,000
171 Wilson Preston South Carolina $500,000
172 Wilson Vance Arizona $2,480,000
173 Wise Dewayne South Carolina $640,000
174 Womack Tony Virginia $1,010,000
175 Wright David Virginia $5,120,000
176 Youkilis Kevin ohio $1,320,000
177 Young Dmitri Mississippi $1,480,000

[CHARLESBELL]

Here are the numbers for the pitchers:

Blue Player pool (pitchers) = 148 / 83 SPs
Red Player pool (pitchers) = 152 / 86 SPs (odd coincidence)

It appears that there are sufficient numbers for a draft here as well.

The two pools are already pretty close in number. We could leave them the way they are or do something simple like add the Japan born players (there are 4) to the Blue pool to make the numbers even up.

Again, weigh in with your comments.

Summary of comments to date:
bunbury: I say add the 4 Japanese in the Blue pool
scoobysnacks: Japan to Blue is fine.

10/3/2005: Here is the Pitchers list of names for each party. The only adjustment made is to add 4 players from Japan to the Blue list to even the numbers at 152 pitchers each. As with the hitters, let's stick with this list unless there is VERY good reason to change:

Pitchers Pool is 152 pitchers per party. For those interested total salary by party is about $256M for Red and $272M for Blue.

BLUE Party Pitchers Pool

NUM LAST FIRST BIRTHPACE2 PRICE
1 Abbott Paul California $500,000
2 Bauer Rick California $4,190,000
3 Bell Rob New York $1,540,000
4 Benson Kris Wisconsin $2,700,000
5 Bernero Adam California $500,000
6 Bonderman Jeremy Washington $1,810,000
7 Borkowski Dave Michigan $780,000
8 Bottalico Ricky Connecticut $4,070,000
9 Brocail Doug Pennsylvania $2,350,000
10 Brower Jim Minnesota $780,000
11 Bump Nate Pennsylvania $910,000
12 Bush Dave Pennsylvania $4,730,000
13 Capuano Chris Massachusetts $710,000
14 Carpenter Chris New Hamphsire $3,670,000
15 Cerda Jaime California $1,970,000
16 Clement Matt Pennsylvania $3,260,000
17 Cordero Chad California $2,510,000
18 Corey Mark Pennsylvania $1,330,000
19 Cotts Neal Illinois $670,000
20 Davis Doug California $4,020,000
21 Donnelly Brendan DC $2,500,000
22 Douglass Sean California $1,430,000
23 Drese Ryan California $2,940,000
24 Durbin Chad Illinois $500,000
25 Eaton Adam Washington $1,390,000
26 Embree Alan Oregon $1,410,000
27 Estes Shawn California $760,000
28 Eyre Scott California $1,040,000
29 Fassero Jeff Illinois $1,280,000
30 File Bob Pennsylvania $500,000
31 Fogg Josh Massachusetts $1,220,000
32 Fossum Casey New Jersey $500,000
33 Franco John New York $530,000
34 Franklin Wayne Delaware $500,000
35 Frasor Jason Illinois $1,730,000
36 Fuentes Brian California $1,020,000
37 Gallo Mike California $500,000
38 Garland Jon California $1,460,000
39 Geary Geoff New York $500,000
40 Glavine Tom Massachusetts $4,510,000
41 Good Andy California $730,000
42 Grabow John California $500,000
43 Gregg Kevin Oregon $1,440,000
44 Grilli Jason Michigan $500,000
45 Gryboski Kevin Pennsylvania $800,000
46 Guardado Eddie California $3,530,000
47 Halama John New York $1,060,000
48 Harang Aaron California $990,000
49 Haren Danny California $1,600,000
50 Hendrickson Ben Minnesota $500,000
51 Hendrickson Mark Washington $1,490,000
52 Hentgen Pat Michigan $500,000
53 Herges Matt Illinois $500,000
54 Hoffman Trevor California $4,140,000
55 Horgan Joe California $1,240,000
56 Howard Ben Illinois $500,000
57 Isringhausen Jason Illinois $4,960,000
58 Johnson Jason California $1,310,000
59 Johnson Randy California $11,900,000
60 Kennedy Joe California $3,530,000
61 King Ray Illinois $3,230,000
62 Kinney Matt Maine $500,000
63 Kline Steve Pennsylvania $3,310,000
64 Koch Billy New York $600,000
65 Kolb Danny Illinois $3,650,000
66 Koplove Mike Pennsylvania $1,670,000
67 Lehr Justin California $590,000
68 Leicester Jon California $500,000
69 Leiter Al New Jersey $5,090,000
70 Leskanic Curtis Pennsylvania $500,000
71 Levine Al Illinois $500,000
72 Lidge Brad California $6,460,000
73 Lidle Cory California $1,650,000
74 Lilly Ted California $4,520,000
75 Lohse Kyle California $500,000
76 Lowe Derek Michigan $1,210,000
77 Lowry Noah California $1,700,000
78 Madritsch Bobby Illinois $4,990,000
79 Madson Ryan California $3,710,000
80 Mahay Ron Illinois $3,560,000
81 Marquis Jason New York $1,550,000
82 May Darrell California $500,000
83 Mecir Jim New York $1,780,000
84 Miceli Danny New Jersey $1,680,000
85 Miller Justin California $500,000
86 Miller Wade Pennsylvania $4,480,000
87 Milton Eric Pennsylvania $920,000
88 Mitre Sergio California $500,000
89 Morris Matt New York $1,150,000
90 Moyer Jamie Pennsylvania $570,000
91 Mulder Mark Illinois $1,960,000
92 Mulholland Terry Pennsylvania $500,000
93 Munro Pete New York $500,000
94 Mussina Mike Pennsylvania $1,520,000
95 Myers Mike Illinois $500,000
96 Neal Blaine New Jersey $500,000
97 Nitkowski C.J. New York $500,000
98 Ortiz Russ California $1,570,000
99 Otsuka Akinori Japan $3,670,000
100 Parrish John Pennsylvania $1,410,000
101 Patterson Danny California $500,000
102 Pavano Carl Connecticut $3,280,000
103 Percival Troy California $1,760,000
104 Prior Mark California $2,010,000
105 Putz J.J. Michigan $500,000
106 Qualls Chad California $1,700,000
107 Radke Brad Wisconsin $4,570,000
108 Ramirez Erasmo California $3,130,000
109 Ramirez Horacio California $3,170,000
110 Randolph Stephen Japan $1,620,000
111 Redding Tim New York $500,000
112 Redman Mark California $500,000
113 Reed Steve California $1,660,000
114 Reitsma Chris Minnesota $850,000
115 Remlinger Mike New York $3,080,000
116 Riley Matt California $910,000
117 Riske David Washington $690,000
118 Roa Joe Michigan $500,000
119 Rueter Kirk Illinois $1,200,000
120 Rusch Glendon Washington $4,600,000
121 Sabathia C.C. California $1,390,000
122 Schoeneweis Scott New Jersey $1,150,000
123 Seanez Rudy California $1,260,000
124 Sele Aaron Minnesota $500,000
125 Shouse Brian Illinois $1,630,000
126 Simpson Allan Illinois $500,000
127 Smith Travis Oregon $500,000
128 Smoltz John Michigan $3,010,000
129 Speier Justin California $1,850,000
130 Sturtze Tanyon Massachusetts $1,290,000
131 Tadano Kazuhito Japan $1,190,000
132 Takatsu Shingo Japan $4,980,000
133 Thornton Matt Michigan $680,000
134 Towers Josh California $630,000
135 Trachsel Steve California $1,790,000
136 Van Poppel Todd Illinois $500,000
137 Villone Ron New Jersey $2,710,000
138 Walker Tyler California $500,000
139 Washburn Jarrod Wisconsin $1,620,000
140 Wayne Justin Hawaii $500,000
141 Weaver Jeff California $1,970,000
142 Wells David California $1,450,000
143 Wheeler Dan Rhode Island $500,000
144 Wickman Bob Wisconsin $500,000
145 Williams Jerome Hawaii $2,050,000
146 Willis Dontrelle California $1,750,000
147 Wise Matt California $4,550,000
148 Witasick Jay Maryland $520,000
149 Wolf Randy California $1,440,000
150 Worrell Tim California $1,220,000
151 Wright Jaret California $4,740,000
152 Yates Tyler Hawaii $500,000

RED Party Pitchers Pool

NUM LAST FIRST BIRTHPACE2 PRICE
1 Adams Mike Texas $2,860,000
2 Adams Terry Alabama $500,000
3 Adkins Jon West Virginia $500,000
4 Affeldt Jeremy Arizona $500,000
5 Ainsworth Kurt Louisiana $500,000
6 Anderson Brian Virginia $500,000
7 Arroyo Bronson Florida $3,670,000
8 Atchison Scott Texas $970,000
9 Backe Brandon Texas $500,000
10 Beckett Josh Texas $1,480,000
11 Bennett Jeff Tennessee $500,000
12 Biddle Rocky Nevada $500,000
13 Bradford Chad Mississippi $1,710,000
14 Brazelton Dewon Tennessee $1,490,000
15 Brown Kevin Georgia $1,610,000
16 Buehrle Mark Missouri $3,440,000
17 Bullinger Kirk Louisiana $500,000
18 Burba Dave Ohio $1,590,000
19 Burnett A.J. Arkansas $3,100,000
20 Burnett Sean Florida $780,000
21 Byrd Paul Kentucky $1,080,000
22 Camp Shawn Virginia $500,000
23 Carrasco D.J. Arizona $500,000
24 Carter Lance Florida $960,000
25 Chacon Shawn Alaska $500,000
26 Choate Randy Texas $1,890,000
27 Christiansen Jason Nebraska $1,180,000
28 Chulk Vinnie Florida $750,000
29 Claussen Brandon South Dakota $500,000
30 Clemens Roger Ohio $7,820,000
31 Colyer Steve Missouri $500,000
32 Cook Aaron Kentucky $1,770,000
33 Cormier Lance Louisiana $500,000
34 Daigle Casey Louisiana $500,000
35 D'amico Jeff Florida $500,000
36 Davis Jason Tennessee $500,000
37 Day Zach Ohio $1,480,000
38 Dejean Mike Louisiana $500,000
39 Dickey R.A. Tennessee $500,000
40 Dohmann Scott Louisiana $1,630,000
41 Downs Scott Kentucky $760,000
42 Dreifort Darren Kansas $500,000
43 Dubose Eric Florida $670,000
44 Duchscherer Justin South Dakota $1,980,000
45 Duckworth Brandon Utah $500,000
46 Elarton Scott Colorado $500,000
47 Eldred Cal Iowa $500,000
48 Farnsworth Kyle Kansas $690,000
49 Field Nate Colorado $1,440,000
50 Foulke Keith South Dakota $5,380,000
51 Franklin Ryan Arkansas $500,000
52 Fultz Aaron Tennessee $500,000
53 Gaudin Chad Louisiana $500,000
54 George Chris Texas $500,000
55 Ginter Matt Kentucky $1,150,000
56 Gobble Jimmy Tennessee $500,000
57 Gonzalez Mike Texas $5,970,000
58 Gordon Tom Florida $7,480,000
59 Greinke Zack Florida $1,620,000
60 Greisinger Seth Kansas $500,000
61 Grimsley Jason Texas $1,220,000
62 Groom Buddy Texas $510,000
63 Halladay Roy Colorado $4,150,000
64 Halsey Brad Texas $500,000
65 Hammond Chris Georgia $710,000
66 Hampton Mike Florida $1,490,000
67 Hancock Josh Mississippi $500,000
68 Harikkala Tim Florida $1,900,000
69 Harper Travis Virginia $2,790,000
70 Harville Chad Tennessee $500,000
71 Hawkins LaTroy Indiana $3,400,000
72 Hennessey Brad Ohio $950,000
73 Hermanson Dustin Ohio $1,590,000
74 Howry Bob Arizona $2,180,000
75 Hudson Tim Georgia $3,970,000
76 Jackson Mike Texas $500,000
77 Jennings Jason Texas $500,000
78 Jones Todd Georgia $1,370,000
79 Kazmir Scott Texas $500,000
80 Kieschnick Brooks Texas $980,000
81 Knotts Gary Alabama $1,490,000
82 Lackey John Texas $1,540,000
83 Lawrence Brian Colorado $1,030,000
84 Lee Cliff Alaska $500,000
85 Lieber Jon Iowa $1,640,000
86 Ligtenberg Kerry South Dakota $500,000
87 Linebrink Scott Texas $3,690,000
88 Looper Braden Oklahoma $3,550,000
89 Maddux Greg Texas $2,030,000
90 Maroth Mike Florida $1,630,000
91 Martin Tom South Carolina $500,000
92 Matthews Mike Virginia $500,000
93 Meadows Brian Alabama $2,580,000
94 Meche Gil Louisiana $550,000
95 Mercker Kent Ohio $3,640,000
96 Miller Matt Mississippi $1,890,000
97 Miller Trever Kentucky $1,460,000
98 Millwood Kevin North Carolina $1,330,000
99 Myers Brett Florida $540,000
100 Nageotte Clint Ohio $500,000
101 Nathan Joe Texas $5,680,000
102 Norton Phil Texas $500,000
103 Obermueller Wes Iowa $500,000
104 Oliver Darren Missouri $500,000
105 Oswalt Roy Mississippi $6,290,000
106 Patterson John Texas $1,180,000
107 Peavy Jake Alabama $4,630,000
108 Penny Brad Oklahoma $2,990,000
109 Perisho Matt Iowa $530,000
110 Pettitte Andy Louisiana $3,710,000
111 Phelps Tommy Missouri $500,000
112 Politte Cliff Missouri $500,000
113 Powell Brian Georgia $500,000
114 Rhodes Arthur Texas $500,000
115 Riedling John Florida $500,000
116 Robertson Nate Kansas $1,740,000
117 Rogers Kenny Georgia $1,420,000
118 Ryan B.J. Louisiana $5,360,000
119 Schilling Curt Alaska $6,790,000
120 Schmidt Jason Idaho $8,400,000
121 Serrano Jimmy Colorado $500,000
122 Sheets Ben Louisiana $7,720,000
123 Shields Scot Florida $3,230,000
124 Sparks Steve Oklahoma $620,000
125 Stanton Mike Texas $3,300,000
126 Stone Ricky Ohio $500,000
127 Sullivan Scott Alabama $500,000
128 Suppan Jeff Oklahoma $1,180,000
129 Tankersley Dennis Missouri $1,820,000
130 Thomson John Mississippi $2,320,000
131 Timlin Mike Texas $1,630,000
132 Tomko Brett Ohio $1,990,000
133 Tucker T.J. Florida $1,560,000
134 Vogelsong Ryan North Carolina $500,000
135 Waechter Doug Florida $660,000
136 Wagner Billy Virginia $6,510,000
137 Wagner Ryan Texas $730,000
138 Wakefield Tim Florida $1,220,000
139 Walker Jamie Tennessee $660,000
140 Wasdin John Virginia $500,000
141 Weathers David Tennessee $1,470,000
142 Webb Brandon Kentucky $3,660,000
143 Wells Kip Texas $1,630,000
144 Westbrook Jake Georgia $4,020,000
145 White Gabe Florida $500,000
146 White Rick Ohio $500,000
147 Williams Woody Texas $1,570,000
148 Wilson Paul Florida $1,490,000
149 Wood Kerry Texas $2,490,000
150 Wood Mike Florida $500,000
151 Wright Jamey Oklahoma $2,070,000
152 Zito Barry Nevada $1,160,000

[CHARLESBELL]

The below has been edited to even up the number of stadiums on each side per the below suggestion. I will stay with this breakout unless there is VERY good reason to change.

Blue Team Eligible Parks (15)
Network Asc Coliseum
Dodger Stadium
SBC Park
US Cellular Field
Wrigley Field
Fenway Park
Camden Yards
Comerica Park
Metrodome
Yankee Stadium
Shea Stadium
Citizen's Bank Park
PNC Park
Safeco Field
Miller Park

Red Team eligible Parks (15)
Bank One Ballpark
Coors Field
Tropicana Field
Pro Player Stadium
Turner Field
Kauffman Stadium
Busch Stadium
Jacobs Field
Great American Ballpark
Ameriquest
Minute Maid Park
Petco Park (socal park moved from Blue to Red)
Angel Stadium (socal park moved from Blue to Red)
Skydome (Canadian park added for balance)
Montreal Park (Canadian park added for balance)

If the league wants to even out the numbers my suggestion is to place the Canadian parks in Red and move Petco and Angel Parks (Southern CA again) from Blue to Red. That would give both parties 15 parks to choose from.

Comments received to date:
scoobysnacks: Canada to Red is fine. 2 x CA to Red I won't object to, but I can live with the split as is.

[MoCrash]

One issue that could crop up is in the auto-draft. Since it does not distinguish based on birthplaces, there are going to substitutions to team's draft selections for contested FAs, and they may not correspond to the Red/Blue guidelines. If a Red player is given to a Blue team, or vice versa, must that played be released -- and, if so, at what point?

If you have the Red/Blue list compiled already, and we're only one team away from filling the league, go ahead and give us the list so we can begin forming our draft selections. Since we have to join the league in a specified order, PM the managers from the East Division teams the password so they can get their team in. When the last East slot is filled, then PM the Central teams the password and so on.

[Lucey01606]

Hey Charlie,
Why don't you pick a division because we know you will be a Red. I'll post a need one thread to get the final manager. Right now the league looks like two are needed unless you read thru the threads to see you are the 12th manager.

[CHARLESBELL]

Scoobysnacks, I will do that. There already is a thread on the main TSN online forum asking for that last player, but feel free to post your own. Anything to get that last player.

Mocrash, you raise a good point. I would favor requiring teams to replace players outside their pool on the same day following waivers and prior to allowing any trades with teams with ineligible players. Trades should be the only way that a player moves from one party to the other. Since I did not have a rule for that, it's open for discussion.

Another way for parties to address it is to use a live draft format, or to share their pre-draft picks to fix any conflicts. That's entirely up to the parties, however.

I will try to get the player lists posted by tomorrow, but I'd like all teams to be ok with the lists before I finalize them.

[CHARLESBELL]

All, I've added the list of eligible hitters for each party in the Hitters section above. :D

I have also now loaded the list of eligible pitchers for each party in the Pitchers section above. AND I've evened up the stadium list in the Stadium section.

[MoCrash]

I'm fine with the player lists (although I sure miss the Latino players. :( )

Have my draft list ready. Whenever it's time for the Central Division to join, then PM me with the password. If I need to move to another division, let me know.

As I understood the rules, trades may only be made within one's party (Red to Red or Blue to Blue), so it would seem that any player which is ineligible for one's team, but assigned via the auto-draft, should be dropped during waivers. If that player remains after waivers, such as if the replacement FA is no longer available (or any other reason), then the drop should be made the same day after the waiver period has passed. [b:f20be0cad9]However, I suggest -- if such is not already the case -- that trades be allowed prior to waivers between Red and Blue teams in order to correct discrepancies in player eligibility/assignment.[/b:f20be0cad9] This could make for some fun deals -- especially with the $200 mil cap removing a major hindrance.

I hope we can get the 12th club. This could be very interesting.