YountFan's NL Only League - Al Oliver IN

[roofinghorse]

just let him back in on the waivers list.........somebody will pick him up....

[YountFan]

[size=24:2691098872]Al Oliver is IN the NL.[/size:2691098872] Pick him up if you can

[YountFan]

[quote:21270f4d21="jsamia"]Happy 4th to all! The Chicago Goat Curses are ready to load. To make it easier for everyone, I thought I would post what is left:

Batters:

Driessen,D.* 1b-2e7 4.33 PICK
43048 Wilson,M.+ cf-2(+2)e9/ lf-2e9 3.58 PICK
35076 Hatcher,B. cf-2(-1)e4/ lf-2e4/ rf-2e4 3.49 PICK
31354 Brooks,H. ss-3e37/ 3b-3e30/ rf-4(-1)e11 3.43 PICK
43324 Youngblood,J. rf-2(-3)e10/ lf-2e10/ 3b-4e36/ 2b-4e41/ cf-3e10 3.42 PICK
30763 Beniquez,J. cf-2(-1)e9/ rf-2e9/ 1b-4e18/ lf-2e9 3.26 PICK
2908 Martinez,D.* cf-2(-2)e8/ rf-2e8/ lf-2e8 3.26 PICK
37570 Martin,J. cf-2(+1)e6/ lf-2e6/ rf-2e6 3.22 PICK
30594 Bass,K.+ rf-3(0)e4/ cf-4e4/ lf-4e4 3.21 PICK
36710 Lacy,L. rf-4(-1)e8/ lf-3e8 3.19 PICK
36764 Landreaux,K.* cf-3(0)e5/ lf-3e5 3.14 PICK
36087 Jones,R.* cf-3(+1)e4/ lf-2e4/ rf-2e4 3.04 PICK
35641 Howe,A. 3b-2e13/ 2b-3e12/ 1b-3e21 2.99 PICK
37432 Maldonado,C. rf-3(-2)e6/ lf-3e6 2.99 PICK
42697 Webster,M.+ cf-3(0)e9/ lf-2e9/ rf-2e9 2.97 PICK
39946 Redus,G. lf-3(+1)e11/ 1b-4e21/ cf-4e11/ rf-4e11 2.79 PICK
38310 Milner,E.* cf-2(-2)e6/ lf-2e6 2.74 PICK
30314 Ashby,A.+ c-3(+1)e7,T-8(pb-2) 2.71 PICK
37707 Mazzilli,L.+ cf-3(+3)e10/ 1b-4e14/ lf-4e10 2.71 PICK
32971 Dernier,B. cf-2(0)e7/ lf-2e7/ rf-2e7 2.69 PICK
38488 Moreno,O.* cf-1(0)e9/ rf-1e9 2.69 PICK
32570 Cromartie,W.* 1b-3e15/ rf-4(0)e9/ lf-3e9 2.64 PICK
43251 Wynne,M.* cf-2(-1)e6/ lf-2e6 2.53 PICK
43034 Wilson,G. rf-2(-4)e8/ lf-3e8/ cf-3e8 2.5 PICK
35871 James,C. lf-3(0)e4/ rf-3e4/ 3b-4e49/ cf-3e4 2.47 PICK
34195 Garner,P. 3b-4e24/ 2b-3e24/ ss-4e19 2.41 PICK
43269 Yeager,S. c-2(-2)e8,T-4(pb-2) 2.41 PICK
36856 Law,V. 2b-3e15/ 3b-3e17/ 1b-3e14/ lf-4(+2)e16 2.36 PICK
38902 Nolan,J.* c-4(+2)e6,T-6(pb-2) 2.33 PICK
33527 Esasky,N. 1b-4e9/ 3b-4e33/ lf-4(+1)e3 2.31 PICK
31260 Bream,S.* 1b-2e14/ lf-4(+3)e8 2.29 PICK
33008 Diaz,B. c-2(-1)e5,T-6(pb-2) 2.1 PICK
35873 James,D.* lf-3(+2)e6/ cf-4e6/ rf-3e6/ 1b-4e18 2.06 PICK
30105 Aldrete,M.* 1b-3e8/ lf-4(+2)e6/ rf-4e6 2.02 PICK
35667 Hubbard,G. 2b-2e15 2.02 PICK
35795 Iorg,D.* 1b-4e18/ lf-4(+1)e9/ 3b-4e37 2.02 PICK
35213 Henderson,S. lf-4(+2)e9 1.75 PICK
37057 Lind,J. 2b-1e12 1.67 PICK
33867 Flynn,D. 2b-1e14/ ss-3e27 1.1 PICK
30759 Benedict,B. c-2(-1)e3,T-4(pb-2) 0.96 PICK
31660 Cabell,E. 3b-3e29/ 1b-3e12 0.95 PICK
37589 Martinez,C. lf-4(+2)e7/ 1b-3e14/ 3b-4e37 0.94 PICK
38530 Morrison,J. 3b-4e22/ 2b-4e19/ ss-4e48/ 1b-4e25 0.94 PICK
43310 Young,G.+ cf-2(-1)e3/ lf-2e3 0.88 PICK
43087 Winningham,H.* cf-2(+1)e6/ lf-2e6/ rf-2e6 0.85 PICK
40058 Reynolds,R.+ rf-3(-1)e9/ lf-3e9/ cf-4e9 0.83 PICK
30079 Aguayo,L. 2b-3e26/ 3b-4e22/ ss-4e42 0.75 PICK
30119 Allanson,A. c-3(0)e8,T-9(pb-2)/ 1b-4e25 0.75 PICK
30161 Almon,B. ss-3e38/ 3b-4e36/ rf-4(+2)e8/ 1b-4e11 0.75 PICK
30205 Anderson,D. ss-3e26/ 2b-3e35/ 3b-3e15 0.75 PICK
30468 Bando,C.+ c-3(+1)e3,T-6(pb-2)/ 3b-4e37/ 1b-4e25 0.75 PICK
3380 Belliard,R. ss-3e21/ 2b-3e7 0.75 PICK
30821 Berra,D. ss-3e36/ 3b-3e18/ 2b-4e33 0.75 PICK
3453 Berryhill,D.+ c-2(-1)e2,T-6(pb-2) 0.75 PICK
31207 Bradley,S.* c-4(+2)e5,T-5(pb-2)/ 1b-4e27/ 3b-4e27/ lf-4(+2)e14 0.75 PICK
31440 Browne,J.+ 2b-3e21/ 3b-4e27/ cf-4(+3)e7 0.75 PICK
8482 Duncan,M.+ ss-3e45/ 2b-3e24/ lf-4(+2)e13 0.75 PICK
33492 Engle,D. c-4(+2)e10,T-11(pb-2)/ rf-4(0)e6/ lf-4e6/ 3b-4e37 0.75 PICK
33828 Flannery,T.* 2b-3e14/ 3b-4e30/ ss-4e29 0.75 PICK
33884 Foley,T.* 2b-3e15/ ss-4e24/ 3b-4e25 0.75 PICK
33887 Foli,T. ss-3e20/ 3b-3e37/ 2b-3e41 0.75 PICK
33967 Francona,T.* 1b-3e18/ lf-4(0)e7/ rf-4e7/ 3b-4e37 0.75 PICK
34662 Griffin,A.+ ss-2e30/ 2b-4e41 0.75 PICK
2898 Guillen,O.* ss-2e21 0.75 PICK
35159 Heep,D.* rf-4(0)e6/ lf-4e6/ 1b-4e20/ cf-4e6 0.75 PICK
35376 Hill,D.+ 2b-3e15/ 3b-4e38 0.75 PICK
36963 Lemaster,J. ss-3e32 0.75 PICK
37685 May,M.* c-3(+1)e5,T-6(pb-2) 0.75 PICK
38119 Melvin,B. c-2(-1)e2,T-2(pb-1)/ 1b-4e25 0.75 PICK
8281 Newman,A.+ 2b-3e14/ 3b-3e25/ ss-3e32 0.75 PICK
38832 Newman,J. c-3(0)e7,T-5(pb-2)/ 1b-4e22 0.75 PICK
39062 Oester,R.+ 2b-2e18/ ss-4e16 0.75 PICK
39183 Owen,S.+ ss-3e19 0.75 PICK
39444 Perry,G.* 1b-3e20/ lf-4(+2)e16 0.75 PICK
39825 Quirk,J.* c-4(+1)e10,T-7(pb-2)/ 1b-4e18/ lf-4(+3)e16/ 3b-4e31/ ss-4e48 0.75 PICK
39869 Ramirez,R. ss-3e40/ 3b-4e31 0.75 PICK
40053 Reynolds,C.* ss-3e27/ 2b-4e41/ 3b-3e31 0.75 PICK
1918 Ripken,B. 2b-2e12/ 3b-3e20 0.75 PICK
4483 Rivera,L. ss-3e30/ 2b-4e27 0.75 PICK
40326 Romero,E. 2b-3e21/ 3b-3e26/ ss-3e23 0.75 PICK
40416 Royster,J. 2b-3e26/ 3b-3e28/ ss-4e33/ lf-3(+2)e14 0.75 PICK
40454 Russell,B. ss-3e31 0.75 PICK
40511 Salas,M.* c-4(+1)e4,T-6(pb-2)/ 3b-4e37/ lf-4(+2)e16 0.75 PICK
40513 Salazar,L. 3b-3e26/ lf-3(-1)e12/ ss-4e33 0.75 PICK
2970 Samuel,J. 2b-4e21/ cf-4(0)e5 0.75 PICK
40564 Santana,R. ss-3e24/ 2b-3e13 0.75 PICK
40735 Schu,R. 3b-3e32/ 1b-4e5/ 2b-4e41 0.75 PICK
40806 Scott,T.+ cf-2(0)e9/ lf-2e9/ rf-2e9 0.75 PICK
41385 Speier,C. ss-3e24/ 2b-4e19/ 3b-3e23 0.75 PICK
6899 Stillwell,K.+ ss-3e29/ 2b-4e20 0.75 PICK
41687 Stubbs,F.* 1b-4e17/ lf-4(+1)e10/ rf-4e10 0.75 PICK
1691 Sveum,D.+ ss-4e31/ 2b-4e20/ 3b-4e31 0.75 PICK
41989 Thomas,A. ss-3e33/ 3b-3e37 0.75 PICK
42121 Tolleson,W.+ 2b-4e29/ ss-4e15/ 3b-4e26 0.75 PICK
42187 Treadway,J.* 2b-4e26/ 3b-4e35 0.75 PICK
42197 Trevino,A. c-3(0)e9,T-9(pb-2)/ 3b-4e37/ 1b-4e25/ 2b-4e41/ lf-4(+2)e16 0.75 PICK
42917 Wilkerson,C.+ ss-3e30/ 2b-3e21/ 3b-4e39 0.75 PICK
43003 Wills,B.+ 2b-3e21 0.75 PICK

Pitchers:

Gross,K. S6* 4.02 PICK
43297 Youmans,F. S6 3.51 PICK
30791 Berenyi,B. S6 3.47 PICK
39738 Price,J.* S5/R3 3.27 PICK
40440 Ruhle,V. S6/R3 3.26 PICK
37405 Mahler,R. S7*/R3 3.23 PICK
40228 Robinson,D. R3 3.23 PICK
37820 McCullers,L. R3 3.08 PICK
3342 Darwin,D. S7/R3 2.9 PICK
3493 Ruffin,B.* S6 2.79 PICK
39895 Rasmussen,D.* S6 2.56 PICK
35591 Horton,R.* S6/R3 2.35 PICK
42499 Walk,B. S6/R3 2.26 PICK
35677 Hudson,C. S6/R3 2.07 PICK
32485 Cox,D. S7* 2.0 PICK
36882 Lea,C. S6 1.99 PICK
36708 LaCoss,M. S6/R3 1.91 PICK
40472 Ruthven,D. S7* 1.91 PICK
42076 Tibbs,J. S6/R3 1.73 PICK
41959 Terry,S. S5/R3 1.71 PICK
30078 Agosto,J.* R2 1.69 PICK
42877 Whitson,E. S6 1.68 PICK
36507 Knepper,B.* S6/R3 1.5 PICK
33613 Falcone,P.* S5/R3 1.14 PICK
34585 Grant,M. S6/R3 1.05 PICK
40239 Robinson,J. R3 0.82 PICK
41109 Sisk,D. R3 0.81 PICK
30140 Allen,N. R3 0.75 PICK
31810 Carman,D.* R3 0.75 PICK
32896 Dedmon,J. R3 0.75 PICK
35720 Hume,T. R2 0.75 PICK
36032 Jones,B. R2 0.75 PICK
36803 LaPoint,D.* S6 0.75 PICK
37151 Lollar,T.* S6 0.75 PICK
37286 Lynch,E. S6/R3 0.75 PICK
38904 Noles,D. R3 0.75 PICK
39274 Parrett,J. R2 0.75 PICK
39303 Pastore,F. S6/R3 0.75 PICK
39707 Power,T. R2 0.75 PICK
42747 Welsh,C.* S6/R3 0.75 PICK
42954 Williams,F. R2 0.75 PICK

I think that's what left. Anyways, let's load 'em up so that we can start next week and I can catch the box scores from Cape Cod. 8)

js[/quote:21270f4d21]

12345 Al Oliver Superstar

[BC Manager]

YF, somebody already has Oliver, which poses a problem. No one can claim him because Phoenix already has him, which is clearly unfair.

[Apoptosis]

I don't think Oliver should be allowed, I asked at the start of the draft what the qualifacations were and was told that players on the worksheets were the players available.

[quote:28cfaeaaf1="BallyWackman"] And what constitutes an NL player/pitcher, is it 3 years in the NL[/quote:28cfaeaaf1]

Otherwise, why isn't Tudor available? Or Teufel, Proly, Benzinger to name a few that I'm aware of. Why are Easler, Ruppert Jones, Darwin, and Rob Murphy available while Sutton, Forsch, Porter and Luzinski are not?
Yountfan went to the trouble making the list, and no one had a problem with the list before the draft, so why not stick with the list? Just my opinion, I'll go along with the consensus cause I want to have fun and not piss anyone off. I'm happy to drop Oliver if that is what the league decides.

[YountFan]

I didn;t make the list. It is the list we used for the AL only league in reverse. Am agreeing with you Wally, but we can let Al Oliver, that old time Pirate and Expo. It is not 3 yrs in NL, but 3 carded NL years. Not sure that make a difference. We had the same problem with AL only league.

I rules on Oliver and we'll hold tight to the rest.

Tudor PIT, STL, STL shoud be IN
Jones, R SEA, CAL, CAL out

You there are errors...what do you want to do? I say stay with the list.

[Apoptosis]

There are errors of inclusion and exclusion. We're obviously not going to remove players with only 2 carded NL years that have already been drafted as that would be unfair. In the same vein it would be unfair to add players with 3 years not available during the live draft.
As long as people are not having difficulty fielding legal teams (which I don't think is the case), I say stick with the list.

[YountFan]

[b:ee0b55303d]all from page one of the thread[/b:ee0b55303d]
Rules - Revised

1. Live draft on Penn's site for NL Players. [b:ee0b55303d]15 rounds[/b:ee0b55303d]
2. Pick 3 for draft orders (high to low).
3.[b:ee0b55303d] All .75m Cathers, 2b and SS are available[/b:ee0b55303d]
4. Official list of NL players to follow. Only players on the list can be drafted or used (except for .75 catchers, 2b and SS).
5. NO DH (it is the NL after all)
6. 1 AL Stud draft/stadium on message board

Pick 3 used for AL Stud/Stadium then once that is down same states and new nunbers used for live draft.

Stud/Stadium
Stud...any AL players (ie guy not on the list)
Stadium must be NL park.
Draft order is high is 1st for stud, low is 2st for stadium.

Questions. This is just like the AL league except for 75m catchers.

[b:ee0b55303d]
[url=http://home.comcast.net/~miklos2000/nlplayers.xls]NL Players excel file[/url]
[/b:ee0b55303d][i:ee0b55303d]including .75m C, 2B, SS from AL[/i:ee0b55303d]

[b:ee0b55303d]AL Guys clearified[/b:ee0b55303d]
BC, see revised rules. I'll add in these AL players

C
Engle, D.
Salas, M.
Bradley, S.
Quirk, J.
Cerone, R.
Martinez, B.
Bando, C.
Valle, D.
Allanson, A.
Melvin, B.
Newman, J.

2b
Wills, B.
Cruz, J.
Tolleson, W.
Romero, E.
Hill, D.
Wilfong, R.
Newman, A.
Ripken, B.

SS
Owen, S.
Stillwell, K.
Hoffman, G.
Sveum, D.
Wilkerson, C.
Griffin, A.
Rivera, L.
Guillen, O.

[BC Manager]

So what are we going to do about teams that are about to start the season with inelligible players?

[Proverbial Psalms]

Idea...

Anyone who uses an illegal .75M player must start that player in the team's lineup each of the 162 games!

And if said illegal player actually contributes to any of the team's wins, then said player must either (a) bat leadoff, or (b) play out of position!

That'd teach 'em to mess with YF :wink: