Double Franchise League- 1981 - Hak champ! Vote on awards

[YountFan]

[quote:e2589b7b20]Say team #1 is in the playoff hunt in 1983 and he wants help for the pennant drive. Can he trade a player that doesn't appear on his team until 1985 to team #2 for some core help now? [/quote:e2589b7b20]
No, the '85 player is not yours until 85. But it is an interesting idea and there is really no reason not to allow it.

[jsam9801]

I am chomping at the bit to make my pick.

Please leave me my team on this day, my 36th birthday :shock: . As a kid, I used to remember saying that in the year 2000 I would be 30 years old. Getting way north of there :oops: .

js

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[Hakmusic]

Just to be clear, I am taking BJ to mean that if you have a player coming to your team in '85, in '83 you could trade the rights to him [b:5c37466f8b]starting[/b:5c37466f8b] in '85. Clearly you couldn't trade him so that the other manager could use him in '84 before your rights begin.

I am in favor of this idea, just for the record, but for primary team only (no trading future players from secondary teams).

[BC Manager]

[quote:a95f84788c="bjs73"]I'm sure that this will come up at some point and I don't think that it has been considered?

Say team #1 is in the playoff hunt in 1983 and he wants help for the pennant drive. Can he trade a player that doesn't appear on his team until 1985 to team #2 for some core help now?

If yes, then it would be like trading your farm system, I suppose, if it was your primary team.... But what if it is your "swappable" secondary team? There could be issues with that also?

I don't know how much of this is up for discussion or not but I sort of prefer a "non-droppable" secondary team to a certain extent. It makes trading transactions clear cut and gives you options to trade your farm hands (players that don't appear until the mid-decade) without causing an issue down the road where the a secondary team's talent was traded away and then, in turn dropped the following year.

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Fortunately you're not too far ahead of me as I was already thinking about this. I was going to suggest that YES we would allow 'future considerations' type deals where a team deals future rights to a player. A couple of thoughts about this, though:
- you can only trade the rights if you have exclusive rights; if the player is shared for their first or any other year, you would only be trading the rights to compete for this player
- these deals have to be done in good faith, under the assumption that you will be continuing to own your team. That is to say, if you're thinking you're going to bow out of the league in a season or two, please do not trade away all your future guys.

Another thing I was thinking about: as teams have the option for keeping their secondary team for additional years, I do think they should be allowed to trade players from their secondary teams for additional years if they commit to keeping their secondary team and that this and the terms of the trade are explicitly stated.

So, let's say that I have Texas as my secondary team and I'm going to trade Buddy Bell. If I'm preparted to commit to keeping Texas for additional seasons, I can trade Bell for additional seasons, but I'd have to post a message saying, "I trade to Bell to albert. As I'm committing to keeping Texas through 1983, albert will be able to keep Bell through 1983." I would then be bound to keep Texas and forego my rights to Bell through 83.

If I didn't make such a statement, it's assumed that my deal of Bell only lasts through to the end of the season, even if I keep Texas.

[BC Manager]

And we won't be changing the rules about being able to draft a new secondary team, at this point. This would've influenced the draft. I, for one, would've made a greater effort to trade down if I knew I would be stuck with my second team for the whole decade.

But my proposal above should allow more options when trading with your secondary team.

[YountFan]

[quote:01cc70d8f4="jsamia"]I am chomping at the bit to make my pick.

Please leave me my team on this day, my 36th birthday :shock: . As a kid, I used to remember saying that in the year 2000 I would be 30 years old. Getting way north of there :oops: .

js

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[size=24:01cc70d8f4][color=red:01cc70d8f4]Happy Birthday!!!!!!:D[/color:01cc70d8f4][/size:01cc70d8f4]

[YountFan]

[quote:937d49d457]Another thing I was thinking about: as teams have the option for keeping their secondary team for additional years, I do think they should be allowed to trade players from their secondary teams for additional years if they commit to keeping their secondary team and that this and the terms of the trade are explicitly stated.

So, let's say that I have Texas as my secondary team and I'm going to trade Buddy Bell. If I'm preparted to commit to keeping Texas for additional seasons, I can trade Bell for additional seasons, but I'd have to post a message saying, "I trade to Bell to albert. As I'm committing to keeping Texas through 1983, albert will be able to keep Bell through 1983." I would then be bound to keep Texas and forego my rights to Bell through 83. [/quote:937d49d457]
First let me say I am glad you are selecting Texas as your second team.

Secondly I agree with the keep 2nd team thing a trades. I can add a few columns to the workbook to track owner, trade stuff and length etc. once the details are ironed out.

BC, are you some strategic thinker in your profession. This and the decade ideas are genius ideas. Now if you could only harness that brain power towards making us all rich you'd really be on to something

[YountFan]

Sykes - NJ - 057 (NY YANKEES)
Hak - CT - 332 (Brewers)
Sean - NH - 354 - Boston Red Sox (via proxy)
Runnin' Rebel - CA - KANSAS CITY ROYALS
BJS - Indiana (Go Irish!) - 5 5 2 - Toronto Blue Jays
BC - Ontario - 5 7 8 - Detroit Tigers
Jablowmi - FL - 9 0 8 - LOS ANGELES DODGERS
YF - Wisconsin - 711 -California Angles

BigAlric - Delaware - 825

Jsamia - Pennsylvania - 906
Crossingroads - KENTUCKY (GO CATS) -692
Albert - New York - 9

[roofinghorse]

just got in from a very long day...a lot of good chatter going on..

i too like the thought of being able to trade future players and i hope we get something to work on keeping track of them..i,m sure YF will come up with that...

i,m glad i got a little more time cause i,ve still got some work to do comparing my first and second picks to match them up as much as possible....
i,ll do most of my catching up in the morning though....

AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY JSAMIA (YOU KID YOU)

[BC Manager]

bump for BigAl