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Re: Uh oh!
by YountFan » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:13 am
[quote:92226501bb="BC Manager"]Somehow, I left Yount off my list.
Will the league somehow let me reclaim him????[/quote:92226501bb]
We've been through this before and the answer is no. Yount, how could that happen?
Will the league somehow let me reclaim him????[/quote:92226501bb]
We've been through this before and the answer is no. Yount, how could that happen?
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by IM Bacchus » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:11 am
I'm inclined to agree with Yountfan on this one BC. You might want to explain how this happened, but it's difficult to see how you could have had him on your draft card with 25 players without leaving someone like Mattingly exposed instead.
You do have the third pick in the waiver wire, Hak has Ozzie Smith and Dale Murphy so he might pass outright. You could try and work out a deal with Crossingroads, though the Millions could use a CF.
Not to pile on, but Sambito retired at the end of 1986.
IMB
You do have the third pick in the waiver wire, Hak has Ozzie Smith and Dale Murphy so he might pass outright. You could try and work out a deal with Crossingroads, though the Millions could use a CF.
Not to pile on, but Sambito retired at the end of 1986.
IMB
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by YountFan » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:05 am
We went through all this with Sykes back in 1982 and/or 1983. You know he is fair game, but picking 3rd you have a shot at him.
[quote:894366dbde]You do have the third pick in the waiver wire, Hak has Ozzie Smith and Dale Murphy so he might pass outright.[/quote:894366dbde]
Dewy Evan in his last seaosn for Yount is a no brainer. Then trade Yount to BC for several player. Hak just may be back in the race.
[quote:894366dbde]You do have the third pick in the waiver wire, Hak has Ozzie Smith and Dale Murphy so he might pass outright.[/quote:894366dbde]
Dewy Evan in his last seaosn for Yount is a no brainer. Then trade Yount to BC for several player. Hak just may be back in the race.
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by albert2b » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:16 am
I'm willing to give BC the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't done anything like this in the past and he's seemingly willing to prove that it was an honest mistake (by giving up his other draftees this year....and his waiver position).
Personally, I can easily see how this kind of thing can happen. It almost happened to me. When the live draft was finished over a week ago, my draft card was filled out and I was awaiting to enter my team. While I was waiting, I wanted to check out the FA list for another league I was in. So instead of creating a new team, I simply temporarily cut one of the guys on my Fatboys draft card (in this case, it was Larkin) so I could freely search the list of FAs. But when it was time to enter my Fatboys a couple days ago, I nearly forgot that I had cut Larkin and almost added another player instead.
Yes, it would've been incredibly absent minded and stupid of me. But it would've been a HONEST mistake. I suppose we have to ask ourselves if this is really the way we want a guy in our league to lose his BEST player? To me, I don't want to see anyone lose their player like that.
Personally, I can easily see how this kind of thing can happen. It almost happened to me. When the live draft was finished over a week ago, my draft card was filled out and I was awaiting to enter my team. While I was waiting, I wanted to check out the FA list for another league I was in. So instead of creating a new team, I simply temporarily cut one of the guys on my Fatboys draft card (in this case, it was Larkin) so I could freely search the list of FAs. But when it was time to enter my Fatboys a couple days ago, I nearly forgot that I had cut Larkin and almost added another player instead.
Yes, it would've been incredibly absent minded and stupid of me. But it would've been a HONEST mistake. I suppose we have to ask ourselves if this is really the way we want a guy in our league to lose his BEST player? To me, I don't want to see anyone lose their player like that.
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by IM Bacchus » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:05 am
I would just like to clarify my statement earlier. I am not suggesting that BC had done this on purpose, but that it is not a problem that can be fixed without compromising the integrity of the rules.
The litmus test for me here is whether or not the error could be corrected with one simple transaction ie- Lea for Hawkins. But in this case, Yount would require two moves to correct. Yount has a value of $7.75M. If you take into consideration the $1.08M that BC has for spare cash, the only player with a value high enough to cover the salary is Mattingly.
Perhaps you can work out a deal with Hak whereby he drafts Yount and then trades him to you for Mattingly?
IMB
The litmus test for me here is whether or not the error could be corrected with one simple transaction ie- Lea for Hawkins. But in this case, Yount would require two moves to correct. Yount has a value of $7.75M. If you take into consideration the $1.08M that BC has for spare cash, the only player with a value high enough to cover the salary is Mattingly.
Perhaps you can work out a deal with Hak whereby he drafts Yount and then trades him to you for Mattingly?
IMB
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by BC Manager » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:06 am
[quote:697b607014="YountFan"]We went through all this with Sykes back in 1982 and/or 1983. You know he is fair game, but picking 3rd you have a shot at him.
[quote:697b607014]You do have the third pick in the waiver wire, Hak has Ozzie Smith and Dale Murphy so he might pass outright.[/quote:697b607014]
Dewy Evan in his last seaosn for Yount is a no brainer. Then trade Yount to BC for several player. Hak just may be back in the race.[/quote:697b607014]
Sykes forgot Wallach and we let him have him.
[quote:697b607014]You do have the third pick in the waiver wire, Hak has Ozzie Smith and Dale Murphy so he might pass outright.[/quote:697b607014]
Dewy Evan in his last seaosn for Yount is a no brainer. Then trade Yount to BC for several player. Hak just may be back in the race.[/quote:697b607014]
Sykes forgot Wallach and we let him have him.
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by YountFan » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:32 am
[quote:b5aa3fac03]Sykes forgot Wallach and we let him have him.[/quote:b5aa3fac03]
But we said never again also. I'll find it in the old forem's. I would like to hear the story of the fogotton Yount. You guys need to use some spread sheets to take this stuff and buiold your draft card.
But we said never again also. I'll find it in the old forem's. I would like to hear the story of the fogotton Yount. You guys need to use some spread sheets to take this stuff and buiold your draft card.
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by YountFan » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:42 am
The Wallach thread: http://forums.sportingnews.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5096067805/m/45710121/r/58510512#58510512
BC: [quote:2452160ce3]Technically, Sykes' leaving Wallach off his roster would make him a FA elligible to anyone. But given what Sykes has said about Wallach, and his definitely having salary room, I'm sure this was an oversight. Sykes should be able to pick up Wallach without competing for him in the waiver draft.[/quote:2452160ce3]
Key phrase "definitely having salary room"
1983 it was Leonard: http://forums.sportingnews.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5096067805/m/122102641/r/902100681#902100681
BC: [quote:2452160ce3]Dingo, I haven't made a decision on this yet.
My point is that you couldn't have fit Leonard on your draft card by just dropping Dwyer. You would've had to drop someone else, too (someone over 0.75).
I'm not questioning your motives -- I'm sure it was a mistake. But I don't know if we want to see a precedent of teams getting bailed out when they fail to manage their salaries while drafting.
In Sykes case, he had millions of dollars left so he clearly didn't leave Wallach off for salary reasons, intentionally or not.
Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Do you see my point? Do you agree with Dingo, that's it' "load of sh**" if he doesn't automatically get Leondard?[/quote:2452160ce3]
BC: [quote:2452160ce3]Dingo, if you want to compare to the Wallach situation, I'll point out the differences:
- when Sykes drafted Wallach he went on and on about how Wallach was his favourite player
- as Sykes had millions in salary left over after the waiver draft, there was no advantage accrued by leaving Wallach off his draft card - it didn't allow him to fit any other players onto his team
That's why the Sykes situation was "crystal clear" and simple to resolve.
In your case you still haven't stated how you were going to fit Leonard on your team (you would've left Dwyer off and who else?)
You also seem to be overreacting. I haven't said you couldn't have Leonard. I'm basically seeking other perspectives, and a league consensus. I do that in all the leagues I've run when things like this come up.
You choose to get defensive about my NOT accusing you of anything. Not sure what I can do about that.
Leaving Leonard off your list was YOUR mistake -- I'm willing to consider ways of rectifying it -- but I WILL NOT TAKE ABUSE OVER IT.[/quote:2452160ce3]
Key Phrase: "Leaving Leonard off your list was YOUR mistake"
I'm not trying to be a azz about this, but this gound has been covered and the answer is clear. Hak could get him and make his team (in my div) better It is your error and you must deal with it. I feel bad for you, but you may end up with Ozzie Smith!
BC: [quote:2452160ce3]Technically, Sykes' leaving Wallach off his roster would make him a FA elligible to anyone. But given what Sykes has said about Wallach, and his definitely having salary room, I'm sure this was an oversight. Sykes should be able to pick up Wallach without competing for him in the waiver draft.[/quote:2452160ce3]
Key phrase "definitely having salary room"
1983 it was Leonard: http://forums.sportingnews.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5096067805/m/122102641/r/902100681#902100681
BC: [quote:2452160ce3]Dingo, I haven't made a decision on this yet.
My point is that you couldn't have fit Leonard on your draft card by just dropping Dwyer. You would've had to drop someone else, too (someone over 0.75).
I'm not questioning your motives -- I'm sure it was a mistake. But I don't know if we want to see a precedent of teams getting bailed out when they fail to manage their salaries while drafting.
In Sykes case, he had millions of dollars left so he clearly didn't leave Wallach off for salary reasons, intentionally or not.
Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Do you see my point? Do you agree with Dingo, that's it' "load of sh**" if he doesn't automatically get Leondard?[/quote:2452160ce3]
BC: [quote:2452160ce3]Dingo, if you want to compare to the Wallach situation, I'll point out the differences:
- when Sykes drafted Wallach he went on and on about how Wallach was his favourite player
- as Sykes had millions in salary left over after the waiver draft, there was no advantage accrued by leaving Wallach off his draft card - it didn't allow him to fit any other players onto his team
That's why the Sykes situation was "crystal clear" and simple to resolve.
In your case you still haven't stated how you were going to fit Leonard on your team (you would've left Dwyer off and who else?)
You also seem to be overreacting. I haven't said you couldn't have Leonard. I'm basically seeking other perspectives, and a league consensus. I do that in all the leagues I've run when things like this come up.
You choose to get defensive about my NOT accusing you of anything. Not sure what I can do about that.
Leaving Leonard off your list was YOUR mistake -- I'm willing to consider ways of rectifying it -- but I WILL NOT TAKE ABUSE OVER IT.[/quote:2452160ce3]
Key Phrase: "Leaving Leonard off your list was YOUR mistake"
I'm not trying to be a azz about this, but this gound has been covered and the answer is clear. Hak could get him and make his team (in my div) better It is your error and you must deal with it. I feel bad for you, but you may end up with Ozzie Smith!
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