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[albert2b]

Guys, I think we all need to take a step back for a second. I don't think anyone here thinks BC did this intentionally. So why are we in such a hurry to strip his team of one of its best players (if not Yount, then Mattingly)? I mean, BC has already volunteered to cut loose whoever he drafted AND use his #3 waiver pick on Yount. Isn't that punishment enough to get a player we all know should be on his roster anyway?

And if you want to talk about the integrity of the league, what kind of league allows a GIFT like Yount (or Mattingly) be awarded to the team who finished with the best record in the league last year? Heck, if that's going to be the case, I might as well tank my draft card so I end up with the #1 waiver pick next year in the event someone forgets to put another stud on their draft card. I mean, if it happened a couple times already this decade, why can't it happen again, right? :roll:

[seanreflex]

Guys,

I had taken Brunansky off my draft card, and put Van Slyke on my draft card, right before I entered my team. I am certain I did this - for some reason the change to my draft card didn't get saved, and I have lost Van Slyke.

I understand how things like Wallach and Yount happen. I don't want to see Yount end up on another team and have BC be punished. I'd also like to have Van Slyke on my team.

I will accept whatever the league decides, and I will not whine or complain. I just think that all of us have been playing together for a long time here; we all know that other things come up in life and that this game doesn't always get our undivided attention. BC made a mistake; apparently I did too. I'll leave it up to all of you, but my feeling is BC should end up with Yount -- whatever the penalty.

thanks,

Sean

[YountFan]

I also agree that it was a mistake and BC should have Yount, but we went all through this before. Mistakes will happen and if we weren't so hardazz before with Leonard then we can ease up on Yount. Also the 3rd waiver pick is nothing given the restricted player pool. But that 7.75 m buys lots of free agents.

[size=18:a5dafa13c6]Give BC Yount[/size:a5dafa13c6], I'm not against it. I just pointed out it was different in the past. All that needs to happen is Hak and CR let him pass to BC.

I still cannot understand how Yount gets left off the AD card.

Hell, without BC our SOM life would be boring. He created the decade league and the new team/year based league. He deserves Yount for that alone. :D

[roofinghorse]

i,ll leave that up to hak...........(sorry) but i would like to see him go ahead and cut the player(s) now to free up the cash so that me and hak could get our fair shot at them without having to HOPE we might get 1 of them if thats the case......
if yount was on his team now,then he wouldn,t have the players he,s got now or should me and hak have a shot at the drafted players he,s listed above........just lookin for some guidence here......

[YountFan]

[quote:a2e4da70ea]if yount was on his team now,then he wouldn,t have the players he,s got now or should me and hak have a shot at the drafted players he,s listed above........just lookin for some guidence here...... [/quote:a2e4da70ea]
That is the hard part. The impact is small, but did BC get a (or 2) FA someone may have gotten in the AD, but now canot get. It affects the waiver order etc. Most of this stuff is small beans, but the not drafting of Yojnt and Van Sylke have ripple effects.

There is no solution other than to let BC and Sean grab their players with their waivers and move on. Lets stop talking about it and let thim have their players. What else can be done? They could give up their #1 pick in the '89 draft!

[CHADGUMM]

I'd prefer to allow BC have Yount. While I'm also confused how Yount could be left off a draft card, we all know it was an honest mistake as Yount would be one of the last players in this game that you would want to leave off your draft card. BC will have to drop some players (more than simply dropping someone like Draveky) which those players will then be available to others. And to me, the most important issue is that I don't agree with allowing Yount to go to a team simply because of an oversight creating a huge windfall to a team that randomly has the first pick in waivers (or the 2nd pick) which such list is not in order of worst to best from last season.

If people think that BC shouldn't be allowed to automatically pick up Yount, then I think everyone in the league should have a shot at Yount by some sort of method (e.g., make BC trade Yount to a team that offers him the best in return in a trade).

[IM Bacchus]

This is a big ol can of worms guys.

Now it's not just Yount, but Van Slyke as well.

Say... I forgot to put Rick Horton on my draft card.. where does it stop.

This kind of mistake happens when a manager gets so focused on trying to fit guys on a roster ,that they lose track of their guys. The biggest problem here, which cannot be fixed, is that if Yount or Van Slyke were on their proper draft cards, other players would have ended up on another roster or in the waiver draft. Consiously or not, a decision was made in each case here. Kinda like Haywood Sullivan forgetting to put the contracts in the mail for Carlton Fisk, and friends back in the 70's.

We have rules in place for this kind of stuff and we should stick with them. The salary cap will help to straighten a lot of this out. Hak and Crossingroads will have to free up cash to make a move on either Yount or Van Slyke. BC and Sean have time between now and 5pm tomorrow to make deals to fix their mistakes.

Yount and Van Slyke should be open game fair and square with no ill feelings to anyone who drafts them. Anything else would mean changing the rules after the fact. Just my 2 cents.

IMB

[YountFan]

[quote:6e5d3de964]onsiously or not, a decision was made in each case here. Kinda like Haywood Sullivan forgetting to put the contracts in the mail for Carlton Fisk, and friends back in the 70's. [/quote:6e5d3de964]
Good example and one that hits close to home for Sean I bet.

But we ain't out for blood and the guys you coulda/shoulda/woulda got will never be known, but now everyone has a built in excuse if they don't win the championship.

[IM Bacchus]

IMHO- The Jeff Leonard decison sets the precedent and the Wallach decision is consistent with the precedent. I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

So what are we going to do here? Follow precedent or make new rules?

We need a clean answer on Yount. How do we deal with the cap problem?

We need a clean answer on Van Slyke. It should be noted that Van Slyke would not fit under the cap if exchanged for Brunansky either.

If we are going to allow either or both players to fall to their previous teams, do the players that would have been availabe need to be placed into the pool before the waiver wire draft? How do we deal with a player like Dravecky who may have been on at least one other draft card? Do we let those other managers claim dibs on them first?

Honestly guys, I ain't out for blood here either, but this is more than just giving a guy a mulligan here. Any deviation from the rules has a ripple effect on virtually all the teams going forward through the end of the decade. I am not going to be around at 5PM tomorrow afternoon, so I'd like to have answers before tomorrow morning in order to be able to set my waiver claims. Same goes for Hak, Crossing, BC,and Sean, Im sure.

IMB

[YountFan]

[quote:7d89c0b0ba]he Jeff Leonard decison sets the precedent and the Wallach decision is consistent with the precedent. I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

So what are we going to do here? Follow precedent or make new rules?

We need a clean answer on Yount. How do we deal with the cap problem?

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I had Garber on my card, but doubt I would have got him as BC would have put Yount at the bottom.

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We need a clean answer on Van Slyke. It should be noted that Van Slyke would not fit under the cap if exchanged for Brunansky either.[/quote:7d89c0b0ba]
That is why his was not on sean's card. HAL tossed up an error that was not noticed.

As I said there is no solution, but for several beers I sure I could thik of one

YF