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[BC Manager]

Ok, now I can type.

Let me first explain that two weeks ago, my g/f spilled a drink on our computer and the keyboard hasn't been working properly since. This doesn't have much to do with the Yount snafu, but it is why I haven't had more to say since discovering it last night. For the past two weeks any messages I typed from home had to be done by cutting/pasting and using the few keys that work. You'll see most of the evening or morning posts I've made have been very brief. I've got my friend's laptop for the next month, so now I can type.

I've also been going to internet cafe's and using my work computer, primarily to type out rules, suggesting for the 2-Team decade league. So, on the day that I was finalizing my roster for this league I was at work, knowing it would be difficult to do what I wanted on my computer at home. It was after work, so I was in a bit of a hurry not wanting to spend an extra two hours there.

My priority was to find a CF since I had none going into this year and didn't draft one. There were a number of available CF options as FA's and I had lots of salary room, so I at one point I had 5-6 different CF's on my draft card, to make sure I at least got a couple. Then I discovered I'd failed to leave room for someone (I forget who but I don't think it was Yount). So I had to drop some. These CF's being at about the same level of mediocrity, I was pretty indifferent to who I dropped. So I made my decisions hastily. I remember dropping Webster and I think I intended to drop Snyder. The idea of dropping Yount was never entertained.

My best guess is that in dropping CF's I accidentally clicked on Yount, who shows up as a CF. I say my best guess, because it was with complete shock and horror that I discovered that Yount was on the FA list last night. I had no idea that I had left him off. I even questioned whether the draft engine had screwed up. In fact, when I saw Van Slyke on the FA list too, I looked at Sean's roster and really began to suspect something was screwy (long before he posted about it). But I do think it's unlikely that the AD screwed me. My own carelessness did.

Anyway, I offer this explanation just to answer the question, "how could someone leave Yount off their list"? It's not intended to suggest I was wronged in any way. My mistake. Mea culpa.

More to come in next post....

[BC Manager]

I remember the Jeff Leonard debacle well so I don't need to re-read the thread. Dingo drafted Leonard in the rookie draft and forgot/neglected to put him on his AD list. He pointed this out and asked to have Leonard retruned to him. Asked is not the right word -- he demanded! My response was to ask him how he would've fit Leonard on his team. He offered to drop Dwyer but I pointed out that this would not have made room for Leonard on his AD card. Dingo became quite defensive and accused me of accusing him of cheating, or something. He became quite indignant.

My intent all along was to consider any suggestion that Dingo had to resolve the situation, and consider the opinion of others in the league. But Dingo didn't offer anything and just got pissy, like Leonard had been stolen from him. Ultimately, he just got pissed off and gave up on getting Leonard, a la 'fine.., I just won't have Leonard then'. He made the decision. I never made one.

So, I want to clarify YF, that you're quoting me was actually out of context. Yes, I said to him, "IT'S YOUR MISTAKE" but it was not intended as 'it's your mistake -- so live with it." It was intended as, 'it's your mistake, so don't get pissed off at me about it". The actuall quote:

[quote:5d868b5cf4]Leaving Leonard off your list was YOUR mistake -- I'm willing to consider ways of rectifying it -- but I WILL NOT TAKE ABUSE OVER IT.[/quote:5d868b5cf4]

So I was open to allowing Leonard to be returned Dingo, if some fair way of doing it could be worked out that others agreed to but Dingo turned into a whiny 6-year old who'd lost his toy and he offered no fair solution.

I'll also remind people that recognizing this would be an easy mistake for people to make, that I suggested that we allow teams to reserve a player after the rookie draft that could be added to their rosters after the AD. But the idea was rejected.

more to come...

[BC Manager]

To negate any advantage I've gained from leaving Yount off of my roster, I've offered to give up all of the FA's I landed. The problems are of course, how to do this when I can only drop two players before the WD and who should get what players? Here's what I propose:

1 - My FA's be trasferred to other teams via trade, prior to the waiver draft. I will accept whatever player is offered in return, as long as it is feasible (ie., will leave me with 2 C's, 5 SP's and 5 RP's). Of course the trades will have to fit under the receiving team's salary cap -- and honestly, if you can't fit the player you want salary-wise, then you never could have gotten them in the AD anyway.

2 - Preference will be given according to the waiver draft order. The order reflects who got what they wanted in the AD, so let's use that. So, whoever's ranked #1 would get their first choice. #2 would get the next available player, and so on.


As for Sean's situation, I don't feel I can offer an objective solution while my own fate hangs in the balance. Of course if we're going to consider what solution I offer, we should consider what solution Sean offers. I am convinced that he would not have intentionally left Van Slyke off his list, to leave himself with no CF.

one more to come...

[YountFan]

BC, you can buy a keyboard for like $10 bucks, or a used one for $5. Go get a keyboard. New g/f are more expensive, keep the old g/f.

Sh`t happens. You'll get Yount on waivers and Sean will get Van Slyke and all will be OK in Strat-o-Land. I already feel bad about my previous posts, but I said 'em.

This is just a game. Let just see the waivers hit and be OK about it. Yount and Van Sylke are NOT on my waiver picks

[BC Manager]

As for why you should go along with my proposal, I'll appeal to the intent and spirit of the league. The intent was to create a league that resembled real life by making everyone a GM that has to evaluate talent, manage a salary cap and make roster decisions with both short-term and long-term considerations in mind. Teams' fortunes should rise and fall based on the merits of their ability to do all of these things. Should a team suffer because, while trying to attend to 'real life' someone clicked the wrong player by mistake? They certainly can and I'm not even saying this is unfair. But do we want a team to become uncompetitive because of one of these mistakes?

If I'm unable to reacquire Yount my decade is over. I don't mean I'm going to stop playing because I didn't get my way. What I mean is I won't be able to compete. I traded away a lot of players last season so I could make a run at a back-to-back championship. I did so knowing I'd be putting my team in a challening situation but that I'd have a chance because I'd still have a core of Yount/Mattingly/Raines. Without the most important part of that core, I don't think I have a chance. If that were the case because I'd made a stupid short-sighted trade I could live with it. But if it's because I clicked Yount instead of Snyder and didn't notice because I was in a hurry to get out of the office....well imagine how you'd feel.

Anyway, I don't want there to be an outcome that leaves others bitter or resentful. If the group decides to make Yount fair game and leave me twisting in the wind, I'll deal with it.

Thanks for being reasonable and considering this. I do appreciate that I haven't had to defend my own integrity with this matter.

[BC Manager]

A decision will have to be made about what to do about this by tonight.

So, please post what you think of my proposal or what you think should be done.

Sean, please make your own proposal about how to resolve your situation.

[bjs73]

I climbed in the middle of the decade. Yount wouldn't get to my waiver round anyways...the decision one way or the other doesn't totally affect me except for who I missed on the autodraft.

My 2 cents...

Doesn't bother me to allow BC to get Yount back or Sean to get Slyke back.

I can agree with BC's proposal of dropping his FA's in order to obtain Yount but the trade thing bothers me some. Feels like a frenzy to me. I'd like a full share of the opportunity to make a trade when you decide to unload.

There's no easy way around this pickle that's for sure.

I'm having a party tonight involving much debauchery so I will have limited access to the net all the way until the waiver round tomorrow. It will be sporadic depending on hangovers and after party cleanup and the such.

I wish I would have gotten some of those FA's that I missed but I also wish that I had a bankroll of 5 million bucks... :P

In the end, my team is what it is, and I'd like the integrity of the league to be preserved. I agree with both sides of the arguement but I don't think I'd lose as much sleep over allowing the guys to get their players back than vice versa.

[YountFan]

[quote:baa360543f]Should a team suffer because, while trying to attend to 'real life' someone clicked the wrong player by mistake? They certainly can and I'm not even saying this is unfair. But do we want a team to become uncompetitive because of one of these mistakes? [/quote:baa360543f]
See IMB's comments on Fisk and that WAS real life.

I really belive you'll get Yount at #3. I want to say take your chances in the waivers. If you were at 10 or soimething I may feel different. But I thought of something...

Solution #1
BC: Drop some players (7.75 worth) (say Calderon and Mookie, just a suggestion)) BEFORE waivers and get Yount after waivers. You can make claims on the players you dropped, but it give everyone a chance at them

Sean: Drop 6.30 m worth of players (say Brunansky and Tabler) and get Van Sylke after waivers.

If you both drop the amount of salery the players would have taken on your rosters if they havd been on your AD, then everyone will have a chance at those players. The bad part is you cannot drop pitching.

Other options?

[seanreflex]

I will drop Bruno and Tabler, and pick up AVS with my waiver pick .. I will make no other waiver picks, and I will drop whatever other free agents anyone wants me to.

I live through Fisk going to Chicago ... still eats at me; I understand real life.

I will not whine or complain one bit .. it ain't my style, and I, no one else, is responsible for the error here. I get that.

I'll make AVS my only wiaver pick. I'll drop Bruno and Tabler. Tell me what else I need to do.

I think BC should have Yount; I do not think he should have to dismantle his entire team to get him back; but that isn't my call.

I'm at your mercy, and I accept whatever decisions are made. It's only a game, gents. I'm good with it, no matter the outcome.

Thank you,

Sean

[roofinghorse]

seeing how thats all it,s worth being a newby and all.

i say cut enough money players to pick your guys up and pick them back up with your waivers if they,re available...that in itself is a self imposed punishment.
if you pick them(yount, van slick) back up with your first waiver pick,then,everybody will have a shot at the cut players....and if we pick them with the pre-waiver draft order and skip sean and BC one pick then we can get this resolved.....either way let,s do something.....i know everybody is tired of this stuff...

i,d even go as far as letting YF rule on it (if he ain,t got too many cold 1,s down yet)and we stick to that.....

hell,i was cutting guys so i could pick up carter....how freakin dumb is that???? lol

gotta watch all these leagues ,too many now i think......i,m forgetting which goes where so to speak....
c,mon vets,step up to the plate and take care of this....