The pricing is worse than ever

[tomwistar]

I have to agree with Adrian ... part of the fun of this game is being exposed to lesser-known players, running over to one of the online baseball reference sites, and learning more about them. Steinfeldt as the missing link in the Tinker-to-Evers-to-Chance infield (if his name fit the rhyme scheme, would he be in the Hall of Fame too?), guys like Larry Doyle and Al Smith who were damn good in their day, the old Senators like Judge and Rice, the Lonny Freys and Bucky Walterses. I think it's great that modern baseball fans get a chance to rediscover these guys. That's my favorite part of ATG--it's also a history lesson.

It's also why I don't get too excited by Mattingly, Toby Harrah, Sandberg etc., in the new set. You can already play them in the 80s. I would've liked a lot more old-timers.

[gkhd11a]

I was laughing to myself about Eddie but no more than Jimmy....

[traderj]

Excellent points from all. It does seem the pricing structure has risen in general, which will make it more difficult to draft a "lower cap" team, which to me would include 80 mill. and below. I think one of the reasons our ATG II players rose in price is because they were "underpriced" in comparison to the player pool at that time. We now have a much larger pool to use (unless you limit the pool), hence the increased pricing structure. Interesting that on my first draft I listed 5 out of 6 "new" guys and din't get any of them.

[Free Radicals]

All points taken . I think right now we as a collective community are experimenting with a ton of new players . Once we get to know the new players , a blend of old and new will level out the price structure . Just my .02.

[nevdully's]

Interesting....In my only league to date, [b:471931a481]100 mil. with DH[/b:471931a481] T. Williams and Joe Morgan are still not being used. All others over 8.5 are being used.

[gkhd11a]

[quote:084dd79a45]Maybe now the teams will look more like teams should look, instead of an All-Star at EVERY position.
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Isn't this the [size=18:084dd79a45][b:084dd79a45]ALL TIME GREATS[/b:084dd79a45][/size:084dd79a45] LEAGUE? I didn't know it was the all time greats and some pretty goods :wink:

[childsmwc]

Quit complaining and go play in a $100 million league if you want more talent on your rosters. I agree with some of the sentiment above that they raised the price of the overall talent pool a bit to much for an $80 million league, to keep comparable lineups with ATGII. But if thats the case start playing in $100 mil leagues.

I think the relative pricing among players is very accurate and I for one have already put T. Williams, R. Henderson, on teams while leaving T. Cobb on the FA wire, which is something I would have never done in ATGII. The pool is now all priced more accurately and many more of the star players can be utilized without penalizing your chances in an $80 mil league. In ATGII, defenders with a 1 and those in the $4 to $6 mil range were all significantly underpriced which made it a waste to play the big money stars. Those inequities do not exist in ATGIII.

Pricing at its core is assigning value to a players Runs Created. I have my own RC model which puts slightly different emphasis on the inputs, but in the end it can duplicate a very similar pricing curve. I can certainly pick out players that I think are mispriced, but that is the exception to the general rule that this pricing works.

Bbrool

[mridge01]

[quote:34f822889a]Isn't this the ALL TIME GREATS LEAGUE? I didn't know it was the all time greats and some pretty goods
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Well, Charlie, you haven't seen most of my teams have you? If so you would have seen more that pretty goods, you would have seen very lousy.
:lol: :cry: :?

[MATTSCHMIDT]

[quote:ba44d3037a]What I would like is some kind of explanation of what changed so at least we can know.[/quote:ba44d3037a]

Why does TSN owe you an explanation? And what good would it do? Suppose they were to come out and say, "we thought speedy defensive players were underpriced in ATG2 so we corrected that." That would end up being kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, because nobody would play smallball anymore.

And Nev, I don't want to pick on you but I think you have problems dealing with change. I seem to recall you also struggling to come to terms with the new pricing when ATG2 was introduced. No offense. :wink:

Also, keep in mind that we are not playing with the same cards as ATG2. All the deadballers had their error ratings normalized and had no where to go but up in price as they are now much better defensively.

[geekor]

All players with good Def should cost more now.

Look ATG1 was horribly priced, I mean really bad. If you knew who the great bargains were, and got them you won.

ATG2 was much better, but still bad. It's pretty pathetic, when E Collins was a #1 choice of some people. He wasn't because he was the best player, best 2b. He was because he was a great VALUE. Realistically, player shouldn't be that far off, Collins was easily 1 mil (if not 2) underpriced in ATG2.

I am in now way shape or form saying that the pricing for ATG3 is perfect, in fact it still isn't. What I am saying it is one step closer to being correct, and in the next version it should be more so. There are many players I think are off still, but that is where bargains and busts lie.

It seems to me people are upset because there are no more guys who will play 2 million over their price, and that is a good thing, not bad.