2007-2014 Franchise League - Frank is up then Load teams

...and on those "problem cards"... Like Geekor has said- we don't need to determine ahead of time, it's only an issue of one guy is drafted by two teams, then the higher priced card wins the tie breaker....pretty simple. I'm loading now!

1. Frank - Detroit Tigers - (Paul Goldschmidt ARI)
2. Ninersphan - LA Dodgers - (Jimmy Rollins PHI)
3. Ironwill - Yankees - (Joey Votto CIN)
4. LMBombers - Red Sox - (Johnny Cueto - Reds)
5. Jeep - StL Cardinals (Andrew McCutchen Pit)
6. Paul_Long71- Atlanta Braves (Jose Bautista Pit/Tor)
7. Dr. Publix -NY Mets (Joe Mauer MIN)
8. Splinter - SF Giants (Troy Tulowitzki COL)
9. geekor - Texas (B Moss PIT/OAK)
10. Keyzick- LA Angels (Michael Brantley CLE)
11. Visick - Wash- (Carlos Gonzalez COL)
12. Zim13 - Mia/Fla -(Anthony Rizzo CHC)

that's not true Geekor. As per our rules, if a guy has 2 cards he is already determined to belong to the highest team.

I don't think you're right about this, Paul. As per our rules, the highest salary is used only as a tie breaker if we end up with 2 cards of the same player in our league, not to determine whose property a player is.

My example is Octavio Dotel. He has 2 cards. Thus his highest salaried card is what we use, that belongs to STL. But....if DET and STl both put him on their Autodraft list, then he could go to DET since one of his cards has Det and STL and the DET manager could have him in a higher spot on the card. But as per the rules, he is automatically property of STL. So in this case he wouldn't end up on 2 teams, but would end up on the wrong team. This is just one example.

Dotel is a perfect example. He has 2 ID's. No one has CHW or COL, so for us, there's one ID for ATL '07 and one for STL '11/DET '12. The way I understand it, he does not necessarily belong to DET. If you own one of ATL, STL or DET, and you want to use Dotel, put him on your draft card. STL and DET will be competing for him the way all of the other mulit-team single ID guys will be competed over. (i.e. Pujols, Beltran, etc.) Whichever team between DET/STL puts Dotel higher on their draft card will get him. No problem there. The problem would come if Atlanta also puts him on their draft card because the draft engine will give ATL the '07 Dotel. So ATL will have to drop Dotel IF either DET/STL gets the other Dotel id. But ATL can keep Dotel if neither DET or STL drafts him.

Geekor, please either confirm my understanding of the rules or correct me. Also, what happens if no one drafts Dotel but one of the 3 teams decides after the draft that they want him. To me, it's first come, first serve, correct? But this is where we'll have to be very careful that two cards of the same player aren't used.

If so, then all the posts about who has these multi-card players from ninersphan are in vain.

The list is actually very useful (particularly for after the draft since we'll have to go through every team and make sure there's no duplicates) but I don't think he's necessarily correct in awarding players to who he's awarding them to. There's no reason to turn multi-team guys into the sole property of one team. It's good to know who the problem guys are, but basically we sort it all out after the draft. We only use the higher salary as a tie-breaker. Again, Geekor, please either correct or confirm my interpretation of your previous posts.

And,

Clarify this for me. I'm thinking this is an accurate statement:

Say someone is "exclusive" to me. For example, he played with the Cardinals and one other team. That other team wasn't one of the drafted franchises. "If" I don't put that player on my autodraft card, he cannot be picked up by someone else while he's in Free Agents because he would still belong only to me.

Is that accurate?

Yes.


On a separate note, just for accuracy in compiling the list of problem players, there are actually 2 separate Chris Carters, so there is no problem there. The one is lefthanded (NYM '10) and the other is right handed (OAK/HOU)

Correct.

Like (not that I'm using him) S Choo. He only played for CLE and TEX, so only I can pick him up, whether he is on my draft card or not.

As far as FA after the draft, you are correct, first come first served if no one drafted them and they are eligible for your team.

Getting to work on the last two teams shortly, had church and cooked brunch this morning.

so just sitting down to the computer just now.

You are right in my pre-maturely awarding the players, but it helps knowing ahead of time who they would go to when building your team list You may just decide it's not worth the fight for a particular player if you have other options.

I did that with some of my guys who aren't problem players, and essentially decided i wouldn't fight for them at all and take the chance i wouldn't get them.

Texas Problem cards:

Jamey Wright - TEX owns over LAD
Kevin Millwood - TEX owns as BAL, COL and SEA not drafted
Darren Oliver - LAA owns over TEX and TOR as TOR not drafted
Ryan Dempster - TEX owns over BOS and CHC as CHC not drafted
Joe Nathan - TEX owns over DET and MIN as MIN not drafted
Mike Carp - BOS owns over TEX

One more to go.

WAS Problem Cards:

Livan Hernandez - WAS owns over undrafted ARZ COL and MIL
Ron Villone - NYY owns over STL and WAS
Julian Tavarez - BOS owns over ATL and WAS
Miguel Batista - NYM owns over WAS, ATL and undrafted SEA
Mike/Michael Morse WAS can only unse MIKE of Michael not both.

Ok. no problem. that just changes where I put some guys on my AD card. No biggie. ready on this end then.

Atlanta:
Tim Hudson - Atl owns him over SF
Octavio Dotel - STL owns him over ATL and DET
Javier Vazquez - ATL owns him over the NYY and FLA/MIA
Derek Lowe - LAD owns him over ATL STL, NYY, and DET
Miguel Bautista - NYM owns him over ATL and WAS
Freddie Garcia - NYY owns him over ATL
Julian Tavarez - BOS owns him over ATL and WAS
Kyle Farnsworth - ATL owns him over DET and NYY

Boston:
Tim Wakefield- Doesn't matter all cards are Bostons
Julian Tavarez - BOS owns him over ATL and WAS
Paul Byrd - BOS owns over Undrafted CLE
Bartolo Colon - NYM Owns over BOS and LAA and Undrafted OAK
Ryan Dempster - TEX owns over BOS and undrafted CHC
Mike Carp - BOS owns over TEX

Detroit:
Kyle Farnsworth - ATL owns over DET and NYY and undrafted TB
Jarrod Washburn - DET owns over undrafted SEA
Octavio Dotel STL owns over DET and ATL
Joe Nathan TEX owns over DET and undrafted MIN

FLA/MIA
Arthur Rhodes - FLA/MIA owns him over STL
Javier Vazquez - ATL Owns him over NYY and FLA/MIA

LAAngels
Bartolo Colon - NYM owns him over BOS and LAA
Darren Oliver - LAA owns him over TEX
Kendry/Kendrys Morales - I think this is just a name change, but it is the same guy coming up as two different players
Can only use one
LaTroy Hawkins - NYM owns him over LAA

LA Dodgers:
Derek Lowe - LAD owns him over ATL STL, NYY, and DET( sorry boys, his cards for you not that good anyway)
Randy Wolf - LAD Owns over unpicked MIL, BAL or HOU
Chan Ho Park - LAD owns over unpicked PHI
Guillermo Mota - LAD owns over NYM and SF
Jamey Wright - TEX Owns over LAD and unpicked KC SEA and TB

NY Mets:
Guillermo Mota - LAD Owns over NYM and SF
Pedro Martinez - NYM owns him, as PHI wasn't drafted
Chris Carter - NYM owns him as HOU and OAK weren't drafted
Miguel Batista - NYM owns him over WAS and ATL
LaTroy Hawkins - NYM owns him over LAA
Bartolo Colon - NYM owns him over BOS and LAA and NYY

NY Yanks:
Rivera and Petite are problem cards but all cards are with the Yankees so NBD
Ron Villone - NYY Owns over STL and WAS
Kyle Farnsworth - ATL owns over DET and NYY
Carl Pavano - NYY Owns as MIN was not drafted
Sidney Ponson - NYY Owns as KC and MIN not drafted
AJ Burnett - NYY own as TOR PIT and PHI Not drafted
Javier Vazquez - ATL owns over NYY and FLA/MIA
Bartolo Colon - NYM owns over BOS, LAA and NYY
Freddie Garcia - NYY owns over ATL
Jesus Montero NYY owns as SEA was not drafted
Derek Lowe LAD Owns over NYY, ATL, STL, and DET

San Fran:
Randy Johnson - SF owns as ARZ not drafted
Guillermo Mota - LAD Owns over NYM and SF
Tim Hudson - ATL owns over SF

ST Louis:
Braden Looper - STL owns as MIL was not drafted
Kip Wells STL owns as KC and CIN not drafted
Russ Springer STL owns as TB not drafted
Octavio Dotel STL Owns over DET and ATL
Ron Villone NYY owns over STL
John Smoltz ATL owns over STL
Trevor Miller STL Owns as HOU and TB not drafted
Dennys Reyes STL owns as MIN not drafted
Jeff Suppan STL owns as MIL and SD no drafted
Arthur Rhodes FLA/MIA owns over STL

Texas:
Jamey Wright - TEX owns over LAD
Kevin Millwood - TEX owns as BAL, COL and SEA not drafted
Darren Oliver - LAA owns over TEX and TOR as TOR not drafted
Ryan Dempster - TEX owns over BOS and CHC as CHC not drafted
Joe Nathan - TEX owns over DET and MIN as MIN not drafted
Mike Carp - BOS owns over TEX

Washington:
Livan Hernandez - WAS owns over undrafted ARZ COL and MIL
Ron Villone - NYY owns over STL and WAS
Julian Tavarez - BOS owns over ATL and WAS
Miguel Batista - NYM owns over WAS, ATL and undrafted SEA
Mike/Michael Morse WAS can only use MIKE or Michael not both.


Glads that's done


League: 2007-2014 Franchise
Pass: all+1

Load 'em up!