DUAL FRANCHISE LEAGUE SEASON 16

Two follow up questions on multi-franchise cards - think I know based on previous answers but want to confirm:

- The franchise that has the higher value card - can they use any version of the card, or only the one(s) that their franchise owns?
- The franchise that has the higher value card - do they own that card the whole season or just through the autodraft? If, for example, the Giants pass on Bonds in the autodraft, could the Pirates pick him up? And if they can, Pirates card only or any version?

Here is a list of teams for the upcoming league.

1) MEAT - DODGERS
2) NYMETS99 - Yankees
3) HARMONKILLEBREW - Giants
4) BDWARD - Indians
5) VISICK - Cardinals(proxy)
6) FRAANK 123 - Astros
7) FALCON26 - TIGERS
8) PDIXON0101 - Braves
9) TOINE
10} GARRETGOODRICH
11) HITMENS
12) TREYOMO
12) TREYOMO
11) HITMENS
10) GG
9) TOINE
8) PDIXON
7) FALCON
6) FRAANK123
5) VISICK
4) BDWARD
3) HARMONK
2) NYMETS
1) MEAT

POST -----------------EXPANSION

- - - - - - - ------------Angels

- - - - - - - - - --------Mets

Red Sox------------Expos/Nationals

- - - - - --------------Royals

Cubs----------------

Pirates------------Mariners

REDS--------------Toronto

Phillies-----------Padres

-------------------Rockies/Tampa

- - - - - ----------Texas/Senators (1961 and before)

-------------------Brewers

-----------Twins/Senators (1962 and after)

WHITESOX-------Athletics

-------------------ORIOLES

------------------MARLINS/DBACKS

Two follow up questions on multi-franchise cards - think I know based on previous answers but want to confirm:

- The franchise that has the higher value card - can they use any version of the card, or only the one(s) that their franchise owns?
- The franchise that has the higher value card - do they own that card the whole season or just through the autodraft? If, for example, the Giants pass on Bonds in the autodraft, could the Pirates pick him up? And if they can, Pirates card only or any version?

Trey, yes on first part...my recollection on part two is after the first night of games any unused card becomes free agent to any other team holding a card that he played on that team for, and then any card is eligible. in bonds example, if for some unknown reason the giants didn't draft him, after opening night, the pirates could take him, and use ANY of his cards. must have a card for your team, not just have played for them at some point in his career.

I will take the METS

Here is a list of teams for the upcoming league.

1) MEAT - DODGERS
2) NYMETS99 - Yankees
3) HARMONKILLEBREW - Giants
4) BDWARD - Indians
5) VISICK - Cardinals(proxy)
6) FRAANK 123 - Astros
7) FALCON26 - TIGERS
8) PDIXON0101 - Braves
9) TOINE - Mets
10} GARRETTGOODRICH - Expos/Nats
11) HITMENS
12) TREYOMO
12) TREYOMO
11) HITMENS
10) GG
9) TOINE
8) PDIXON
7) FALCON
6) FRAANK123
5) VISICK
4) BDWARD
3) HARMONK
2) NYMETS
1) MEAT

POST -----------------EXPANSION

- - - - - - - ------------Angels

- - - - - - - - - --------Mets

Red Sox------------Expos/Nationals

- - - - - --------------Royals

Cubs----------------

Pirates------------Mariners

REDS--------------Toronto

Phillies-----------Padres

-------------------Rockies/Tampa

- - - - - ----------Texas/Senators (1961 and before)

-------------------Brewers

-----------Twins/Senators (1962 and after)

WHITESOX-------Athletics

-------------------ORIOLES

------------------MARLINS/DBACKS

Here is a list of teams for the upcoming league.

1) MEAT - DODGERS
2) NYMETS99 - Yankees
3) HARMONKILLEBREW - Giants
4) BDWARD - Indians
5) VISICK - Cardinals(proxy)
6) FRAANK 123 - Astros
7) FALCON26 - TIGERS
8) PDIXON0101 - Braves
9) TOINE - Mets
10} GARRETTGOODRICH - Expos/Nats
11) HITMENS- California Angels
12) TREYOMO
12) TREYOMO
11) HITMENS
10) GG
9) TOINE
8) PDIXON
7) FALCON
6) FRAANK123
5) VISICK
4) BDWARD
3) HARMONK
2) NYMETS
1) MEAT

POST -----------------EXPANSION

- - - - - - - ------------


- - - - - - - - - --------

Red Sox------------

- - - - - --------------Royals

Cubs----------------

Pirates------------Mariners

REDS--------------Toronto

Phillies-----------Padres

-------------------Rockies/Tampa

- - - - - ----------Texas/Senators (1961 and before)

-------------------Brewers

-----------Twins/Senators (1962 and after)

WHITESOX-------Athletics

-------------------ORIOLES

------------------MARLINS/DBACKS

Here is a list of teams for the upcoming league.

1) MEAT - DODGERS
2) NYMETS99 - Yankees
3) HARMONKILLEBREW - Giants
4) BDWARD - Indians
5) VISICK - Cardinals(proxy)
6) FRAANK 123 - Astros
7) FALCON26 - TIGERS
8) PDIXON0101 - Braves
9) TOINE - Mets
10} GARRETTGOODRICH - Expos/Nats
11) HITMENS
12) TREYOMO
12) TREYOMO
11) HITMENS
10) GG
9) TOINE
8) PDIXON
7) FALCON
6) FRAANK123
5) VISICK
4) BDWARD
3) HARMONK
2) NYMETS
1) MEAT

POST -----------------EXPANSION

- - - - - - - ------------Angels

- - - - - - - - -

Red Sox------------

- - - - - --------------Royals

Cubs----------------

Pirates------------Mariners

REDS--------------Toronto

Phillies-----------Padres

-------------------Rockies/Tampa

- - - - - ----------Texas/Senators (1961 and before)

-------------------Brewers

-----------Twins/Senators (1962 and after)

WHITESOX-------Athletics

-------------------ORIOLES

------------------MARLINS/DBACKS

Here is a list of teams for the upcoming league.

1) MEAT - DODGERS
2) NYMETS99 - Yankees
3) HARMONKILLEBREW - Giants
4) BDWARD - Indians
5) VISICK - Cardinals(proxy)
6) FRAANK 123 - Astros
7) FALCON26 - TIGERS
8) PDIXON0101 - Braves
9) TOINE - Mets
10} GARRETTGOODRICH - Expos/Nats
11) HITMENS- California Angels
12) TREYOMO
12) TREYOMO
11) HITMENS
10) GG
9) TOINE
8) PDIXON
7) FALCON
6) FRAANK123
5) VISICK
4) BDWARD
3) HARMONK
2) NYMETS
1) MEAT

POST -----------------EXPANSION

- - - - - - - ------------


- - - - - - - - - --------

Red Sox------------

- - - - - --------------Royals

Cubs----------------

Pirates------------Mariners

REDS--------------Toronto

Phillies-----------Padres

-------------------Rockies/Tampa

- - - - - ----------Texas/Senators (1961 and before)

-------------------Brewers

-----------Twins/Senators (1962 and after)

WHITESOX-------Athletics

-------------------ORIOLES

------------------MARLINS/DBACKS

A little oops, as I forgot to blank out team I took, so I reposted not knowing the Hitmens had just taken the Angels. So as not to confuse, we are now at the 12 team Treyomo.

Toine: You've got it backwards regarding the Senators, Twins and Rangers. According to Wikipedia and BaseballReference.com, the original Washington Senators existed from 1901-1960. In 1961 the Senators moved to Minnesota and became the Minnesota Twins. So the Washington Post WWII player set contains many of the same players who were also Twins in the expansion set, such as Killebrew, Oliva, Kaat and Allison.

Meanwhile, not wanting to leave our nation's capitol devoid of a team symbolizing our national pastime, when the Senators decided to move to Minnesota, the owners decided to expand and added a team in Washington D.C., an expansion Senators team, which began play in 1961. The expansion Washington Senators played in Washington D.C. from 1961 through 1971 and then moved to Texas and became the Texas Rangers at the start of the 1972 season. Players such as Dick Bosman, Frank Howard, Darold Knowles and Del Unser have cards with the expansion Senators before they moved to Texas and are part of the Texas expansion player grouping. To the best of my knowledge, there are no expansion Washington Senator Post WWII cards during the early years of the expansion Washington Senators franchise for the period 1961-1966.

So the proper franchise grouping should be as follows:

- - Expansion Texas Rangers (includes Senators from 1967-1971 and Texas Rangers 1972 and after. Note that there are no players in the card set who played for the expansion Washington Senators from 1961-1966)

- - Post WWII Washington Senators (includes Senators 1947-1960 & Minnesota Twins from 1961-1966)/Minnesota Twins (1967 and after)

I hope this helps clarify our league's franchise grouping. - Bernie

Also....it is a bit confusing but any player on the Senators who played in 1961 or earlier belongs to the Twins franchise, and anyone who played in 1962 or later for them belongs to the Rangers. This does not involve many players, But Camilio Pascual comes to mind, he is property of the Twins.

Toine: You've got it backwards regarding the Senators, Twins and Rangers. According to Wikipedia and BaseballReference.com, the original Washington Senators existed from 1901-1960. In 1961 the Senators moved to Minnesota and became the Minnesota Twins. So the Washington Post WWII player set contains many of the same players who were also Twins in the expansion set, such as Killebrew, Oliva, Kaat and Allison.

Meanwhile, not wanting to leave our nation's capitol devoid of a team symbolizing our national pastime, when the Senators decided to move to Minnesota, the owners decided to expand and added a team in Washington D.C., an expansion Senators team, which began play in 1961. The expansion Washington Senators played in Washington D.C. from 1961 through 1971 and then moved to Texas and became the Texas Rangers at the start of the 1972 season. Players such as Dick Bosman, Frank Howard, Darold Knowles and Del Unser have cards with the expansion Senators before they moved to Texas and are part of the Texas expansion player grouping. To the best of my knowledge, there are no expansion Washington Senator Post WWII cards during the early years of the expansion Washington Senators franchise for the period 1961-1966.

So the proper franchise grouping should be as follows:

- - Expansion Texas Rangers (includes Senators from 1967-1971 and Texas Rangers 1972 and after. Note that there are no players in the card set who played for the expansion Washington Senators from 1961-1966)

- - Post WWII Washington Senators (includes Senators 1947-1960 & Minnesota Twins from 1961-1966)/Minnesota Twins (1967 and after)

I hope this helps clarify our league's franchise grouping. - Bernie

I think you're both stating the same thing, and both statements are correct.