The "Original" 24 TKL

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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 2:01 pm

Plus we have precedence. When we lost Oscar Tavares, I received a supplemental prospect pick. It is only fair that a pick be awarded now as well. Hopefully this will never happen again, but if it does I think we should be consistent and maybe add it to the rules...
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 3:53 pm

I'm fine either way.

While a really nice thought, I actually don't like it as a practice from a structural standpoint -- only if the person dies we compensate, but not if career ending injury or suspension by PEDs? Should Prince Fielder's owner get compensation? What's the difference? Are we weighting the pick on something or just death = 1st round pick?

All told, go for it, put in the supplemental pick, but let's not vote on it (as I'll vote no).
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 5:51 pm

Rant wrote:I'm fine either way.

While a really nice thought, I actually don't like it as a practice from a structural standpoint -- only if the person dies we compensate, but not if career ending injury or suspension by PEDs? Should Prince Fielder's owner get compensation? What's the difference? Are we weighting the pick on something or just death = 1st round pick?

All told, go for it, put in the supplemental pick, but let's not vote on it (as I'll vote no).


Death only. Fielder was predictable due to his age and weight and a gamble the owner took. There was no way anyone can predict Jose Fernandez's death. A PED suspention like Dee Gordon was 80 games or so and not a huge blow, because it barely affects StratOMatic. This death could set back Peter's team for a couple of years in a way NO ONE could have predicted.
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 8:44 pm

Death- precedent already set with Oscar Taveras, but even so, a 25th pick is small, very small compensation for death of one of your players
It should be written in the rules, something like, "if a death should occur to any player your roster, the 25th (or whatever) is the compensation pick."
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 9:00 pm

While I don't have a problem regarding compensation in this situation, I would throw out that we are talking about one superstar (Fernandez) and one super prospect (Taveras). To use an example from my roster, what if Alex Guerrero suffers a tragic accident? He is in my starting lineup this season, but doesn't look like any type of contributor next season. Would he be worth the 25th pick?
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 9:31 pm

blsmith makes a great point with that question. At the end of the day what ever we do I will go with and honestly it is not that big of a deal, I just have a hard time seeing the rationale based on:

So we compensate the death of a guy who has a $1.00 card at age 33 while not offering compensation for a healthy 22 yr old SS who takes a spike on a dp ball, gets hit by a pitch, or just slips and falls off his roof hanging Christmas lights and never plays again? In real life death is obviously a much more catastrophic event, but as it relates to SOM the results are the same.

It seems way too arbitrary to give a compensatory pick based on the projected value of a career. Tevarez for example was a big prospect but we can all think of huge prospects that made it to the show for a bit and then completely disappeared. Fernandez, like any other player, was a shoulder tweak away from dropping several mphs and spending the remainder of a career just trying to hold a roster spot. In sports as in life no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostMon Sep 26, 2016 11:10 pm

A death of any player on your roster, no matter how good he is- 25th pick- is so little of a compensation.

480 players have already been frozen- then another 24 of the very best left- that's over 500 players gone.

The 23rd, 24th and 25th picks from last year were Casey McGeehe, Christian Vazquez and Kennys Vargas
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostThu Sep 29, 2016 5:02 pm

Josh and I have agreed to a trade:

cshannajr sends
Jackie Bradley Jr and
Ryan Madson

to Josh in exchange for
Wil Myers and
Starlin Castro.

Josh needs to confirm.
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostThu Sep 29, 2016 5:11 pm

I confirm the deal with cshannajr:
Bradley, Jr. and Madson for Myers and Castro.
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Re: The "Original" 24 TKL

PostThu Sep 29, 2016 6:53 pm

I'm not sure why there should be compensation for a death but not for a career ending injury. I had Taveras in the NTKL and nobody shed a tear for me. Roughly 20% of the regulars in any given year suffer serious injury or serious drops in performance to the point where they have little or no value for years.

If we try to compensate for any of this stuff, the wrangling could get to be very tedious. Who gets to decide who is and isn't a superstar? Just the breaks of the game as far as I'm concerned. Apologies to JF's owner, but I just don't see how this is any different from Joe Mauer's beaning which changed him from a C who hit .360 with power to a 1B who hits .270 with a few doubles. I also don't recall any groundswell of support for giving me some extra draft picks when I took over this sad sack franchise a few years ago.

Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. If I can rebuild a team from essentially nothing in a few years, a good manager ought to be able to cope with the death of one player without any special compensation.
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