Pre-Card Draft Keeper League -- Season 28

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JOSEPHKENDALL

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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 6:18 pm

No offense meant by this question, but how can you trade picks you don't have?
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 6:30 pm

JOSEPHKENDALL wrote:No offense meant by this question, but how can you trade picks you don't have?


Dan has the picks, fair and square. He just did not have any room on his roster to place them. With this trade, he exchanges them for future value.
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 6:30 pm

thisisdan26 wrote:Thisisdan trades:

2012 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks

to tcochran for:

2013 1st and 2nd round prospect picks

tcochran to confirm



Confirmed
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 6:31 pm

{{PROSPECT ROUND 1}} * * * NO CLOCK IN ROUND 1 * * *
1. josephkendall - Jose Fernandez SP MIA
2. thisisdan26 - Carlos Correa SS HOU
3. mrbbworld- Mike Zunino C SEA
4. Palmtana - Addison Russell SS OAK
5. mfl536 - Noah Syndegaard SP NYM
6. tcochran - Hyun-Jin Ryu SP LAD
7. bbasebrawl - Byron Buxton OF MINN
8. josephkendall (from willmurr24) - Kyle Zimmer SP KCR
9. terry101- Kyle Crick, P, SF
10. nythawk - Albert Almora OF CHC (via proxy)
11. ironwill1 - Jorge Soler OF CHC
12. blsmith7

* * * TWO-HOUR DRAFT CLOCK BEGINS, 10AM - 10PM EASTERN, 7 DAYS PER WEEK * * *

{{PROSPECT ROUND 2}}
13. josephkendall
14. tcochran (from thisisdan26)
15. mrbbworld
16. Palmtana
17. mfl536
18. bbasebrawl (from tcochran)
19. bbasebrawl
20. willmurr24
21. terry101
22. nythawk
23. ironwill1
24. blsmith7
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 7:34 pm

tcochran wrote:
JOSEPHKENDALL wrote:No offense meant by this question, but how can you trade picks you don't have?


Dan has the picks, fair and square. He just did not have any room on his roster to place them. With this trade, he exchanges them for future value.


I think I have to agree with josephkendall on this. If dan had no room for prospects then I would think he would have to forfeit his prospect picks and not be able to trade them. Trading picks is like trading prospects and since he was at his limit I would not think he would be able to do so. I believe we need to discuss this issue amongst the other owners before finalizing that deal..
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League -- Next up: Smitty

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 8:01 pm

Interesting question, first time I've seen this situation come up. Here are the prospect segments of the league rules:

PROSPECT DRAFT
1) After the initial draft and after each year's annual free agent draft, there will be a four round prospect draft.
2) Each team will be able to select 4 prospects, defined as any player who: [b:e654b061ff]a) did not play in an MLB game during the season for which the draft is being conducted;[/b:e654b061ff] and b) is the property of an MLB team. In other words,
...no, those who have not yet signed as of the start of that year's draft are not eligible for the prospect draft; and
...yes, those injured players who sit out the entire season are eligible for the prospect draft, as long as they are not already on a roster in this league.
3) The initial prospect draft is serpentine. Draft order for the initial prospect draft will be the reverse of the draft order for the initial free agent draft. All subsequent prospect drafts are non-serpentine, with draft order based on the final win/loss records of the previous season: Reverse order, worst-record first, NFL style.
4) Owners lose rights to all prospects they release. Released prospects are eligible to be drafted as either a) free agents or b) prospects again, [b:e654b061ff]depending on whether or not they played in an MLB game during the season for which the draft is being conducted.[/b:e654b061ff]
5) There is no clock for round 1 of each prospect draft. All subsequent rounds will operate with a 2-hour clock, as in the initial draft.
6) Individual owners are responsible for their own prospect research.

PROSPECT RULES
1) The maximum number of prospects allowed for each team is 10.
2) Prospects are not counted as part of the 40 man roster while they maintain their prospect status.
3) Owners control the rights of their prospects for no longer than 2 years. At the end of 2 years (from time of draft) a prospect must either be promoted to the MLB roster or released.
4) Prospects can be traded, but the 2 year timeline remains constant for each prospect. Prospects moving from one team to another must be promoted or released when the end of the original 2 year cycle has been reached.
5) Prospects can be promoted to the major league roster at any time, provided there is roster space available. Once promoted, all prospects lose their prospect status and cannot be demoted back to prospect status.
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League -- Next up: Smitty

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 8:03 pm

The only relevant lines seem to be:

"The maximum number of prospects allowed for each team is 10" and

"Prospects can be traded"
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League -- Next up: Smitty

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 8:07 pm

It seems to me that if Dan's turn had come up and he was unable to pick because he was at the max number of prospects, then he would forfeit that pick.

That did not happen, though, so the pick was still available for trade at the time of the trade, right?

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This is not a major issue for me, so if a majority of the remaining managers (other than Dan and I) say the deal should not be allowed, then we will cancel it.

PICKS 12 AND 13 CAN BE MADE WHILE THIS IS DISCUSSED AND THEN THE DRAFT WILL HALT UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League -- Next up: Smitty

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 9:43 pm

{{PROSPECT ROUND 1}} * * * NO CLOCK IN ROUND 1 * * *
1. josephkendall - Jose Fernandez SP MIA
2. thisisdan26 - Carlos Correa SS HOU
3. mrbbworld- Mike Zunino C SEA
4. Palmtana - Addison Russell SS OAK
5. mfl536 - Noah Syndegaard SP NYM
6. tcochran - Hyun-Jin Ryu SP LAD
7. bbasebrawl - Byron Buxton OF MINN
8. josephkendall (from willmurr24) - Kyle Zimmer SP KCR
9. terry101- Kyle Crick, P, SF
10. nythawk - Albert Almora OF CHC (via proxy)
11. ironwill1 - Jorge Soler OF CHC
12. blsmith7 - Kevin Gausman P BAL

{{PROSPECT ROUND 2}}
13. josephkendall
14. tcochran (from thisisdan26)
15. mrbbworld
16. Palmtana
17. mfl536
18. bbasebrawl (from tcochran)
19. bbasebrawl
20. willmurr24
21. terry101
22. nythawk
23. ironwill1
24. blsmith7
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Re: Pre-Card Draft Keeper League

PostThu Feb 21, 2013 9:54 pm

{{PROSPECT ROUND 1}} * * * NO CLOCK IN ROUND 1 * * *
1. josephkendall - Jose Fernandez SP MIA
2. thisisdan26 - Carlos Correa SS HOU
3. mrbbworld- Mike Zunino C SEA
4. Palmtana - Addison Russell SS OAK
5. mfl536 - Noah Syndegaard SP NYM
6. tcochran - Hyun-Jin Ryu SP LAD
7. bbasebrawl - Byron Buxton OF MINN
8. josephkendall (from willmurr24) - Kyle Zimmer SP KCR
9. terry101- Kyle Crick, P, SF
10. nythawk - Albert Almora OF CHC (via proxy)
11. ironwill1 - Jorge Soler OF CHC
12. blsmith7 - Kevin Gausman P BAL

{{PROSPECT ROUND 2}}
13. josephkendall
14. To be resolved by survey below...

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If a manager has no room for another prospect, can he trade away a prospect pick before his turn rolls around?

1. josephkendall -
2. thisisdan26 - Yes, posted that trade
3. mrbbworld-
4. Palmtana -
5. mfl536 -
6. tcochran - Yes, confirmed that trade
7. bbasebrawl -
8. willmurr24 -
9. terry101-
10. nythawk -
11. ironwill1 -
12. blsmith7 -
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